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Post by IceWendigo on Wed Mar 22, 2017 12:06 pm

I am curious, does anyone think either of these were not the result of a lone crazy gunman as the official version would have us believe?


(I personally think that its very likely that both official version of these events are false and very unlikely they are acurate.)
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Post by IceWendigo on Thu May 04, 2017 1:35 pm

I would add the JFK assassination is very important because its implications(coup d'etat) confront our understanding of the world in which we live, (like discovering in the middle ages that the world is not really flat as most people were saying)
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Post by Agartha on Thu May 04, 2017 2:48 pm

There are hundreds of conspiracies out there, and some were true (like Watergate for example). Others can be refuted easily (like the Rothschild for example).

The assassination of JFK has always fascinate me, but I tend to agree with the loner gunman theory. Why? Because 81% of people heard 3 shots, 90% said all shots came from the same direction and the forensic report pointed at the direction: the book depository. There is no photographic evidence of other shooters.

However, I'm not sure whether Oswald did it alone or if he was sent to do it... or if somebody else did and he accepted being the scapegoat.

But, as you don't believe it was a lone gunman, perhaps you should tell us why you believe so and the evidence that backs up your beliefs.
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Post by IceWendigo on Thu May 04, 2017 9:23 pm

you might be interested in this

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Post by Agartha on Fri May 05, 2017 2:11 am

OMG! 6 hours?? Shocked


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Post by Agartha on Fri May 05, 2017 3:41 am

OMG the video is by Mr Horne, I read his stuff before and I found it mostly non sense, not evidence. You don't follow the media, Ice, but you seem to follow only those that confirm your bias.

Like I say, please state what makes you think JFK was not a lone gunman assassination. I am asking you, not Horne.

Just list them one by one and we can discuss them... seeing as you and me seem to disagree largely on practically everything! Razz

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Post by Rockhopper on Fri May 05, 2017 4:54 am

I would be interested in that too Ags! We all have Confirmation Biases.

I have read all the stories about the JFK killing and no-one to date has come up with any definitive proof just endless conspiracies.

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Post by IceWendigo on Fri May 05, 2017 6:24 am

Not only is it unlikely Oswald, who could shoot a rifle but was not a professional sniper, could hit more than once a moving target at that distance with an inacurate rifle in the time frame JFK's limo was in the kill zone, but the Paraffin test did not show Oswald had fired any rifle.

There is no photographic evidence for multiple snipers, but then there is no photographic evidence for a single sniper either.

btw did you watch the footage of WTC 7 collapsing on 911? Thats an easier discussion.
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Post by Agartha on Fri May 05, 2017 7:47 am

Rockhopper wrote:I would be interested in that too Ags! We all have Confirmation Biases.

I have read all the stories about the JFK killing and no-one to date has come up with any definitive proof just endless conspiracies.
Tim.

Yep, every point in those conspiracies are easily explained....... I'm yet to find any conclusive evidence of a complot.


IceWendigo wrote:Not only is it unlikely Oswald, who could shoot a rifle but was not a professional sniper, could hit more than once a moving target at that distance with an inacurate rifle in the time frame JFK's limo was in the kill zone, but the Paraffin test did not show Oswald had fired any rifle.

The paraffin test was negative for the cheek but positive for the hands.

The paraffin test is unreliable anyway, it reacts positive to most oxidizing agents (tobacco, fertilizers, cosmetics etc), it's easy to contaminate etc. In fact it's been used less and less (I have a friend who is doing a major in forensic science).

There is no photographic evidence for multiple snipers, but then there is no photographic evidence for a single sniper either.

But the majority of people all heard the shots coming from one direction only, which eliminates the multiple snipers theory.

If you ever visit the book depository (the sixth floor where the shots came from is now a museum) apparently it makes it clear how the shooter had a clear easy view of its target (so I've been told, I haven't visited yet).



btw did you watch the footage of WTC 7 collapsing on 911? Thats an easier discussion.

That's a whole new thread... study
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Post by IceWendigo on Fri May 05, 2017 9:29 am

Why did they bother doing a test for the cheek in the first place?
Because they expect a precision rifle shot to be executed in proximity to the face because you need to aim with an eye to rifle alignement.

Plus if it reacts as a false positive for other elements it means a positive result is potential less conclusive, not the other way around.

"But the majority of people all heard the shots coming from one direction only, which eliminates the multiple snipers theory."
No that does not "eliminate" it, first because multiple snipers can be located in the same general direction, second because House Select Committee on Assassinations has 47% earwitness saying the TSBR, 49% from other directions, 4% from two directions, imo that does not "eliminate" the possibility of multiple snipers (on top of the fact multiple snipers could fire from in a similar direction)


Btw, the House Select Comitee on Assassination concluded Kennedy was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy.
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Post by Rockhopper on Sat May 06, 2017 9:05 pm

Something that may be related is that at that time JFK had just averted a major war with Russia. The Missile Crisis in Turkey and Cuba had just been resolved and there were many people who were pissed off about that because war is big business.

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Post by Stargate on Sun May 07, 2017 10:38 am

I am not sure why you guys think that anything definitive can come out of those kind of conspiracies. You will never be able to do anything but speculate.
Looking at building 7 gives me more to identify with my own eyes, although the manipulation factor is quite high.
My gut feeling put together with my experience tells me there is no way Oswald killed Kennedy. Purely subjective.

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