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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Wed Jul 09, 2014 1:03 pm

@Kaere wrote:Perhaps that's our misunderstanding, VM... do you see Spirit as indivisible from a "God"?

I think you've made an assumption about some of the beliefs of others here. I could be wrong about that *shrugs*

I'm just saying the Bible is a book about who we are. To disregard this is shallow thinking.

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Post by Agartha on Wed Jul 09, 2014 1:08 pm

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The Bible is not religion, true Atheists do not believe in a creator and shun intelligent design. Everything was and is created randomly without spirit. Only physical matter exists.

Well......let's agree to disagree on the Bible.

And regarding atheists......yes, they believe in physical matter but they are moved by it, by nature, by the universe, by our biology: that is their spirituality. Spirituality has nothing to do with the paranormal or by higher beings....please re-read my comment above.
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Post by X on Wed Jul 09, 2014 1:13 pm

Agartha...leave Gwen alone!

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Post by Agartha on Wed Jul 09, 2014 1:18 pm

Mr.W wrote:Agartha...leave Gwen alone!

Well........should I tell you about the most famous agnostic then?.....one you really love!!!
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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Wed Jul 09, 2014 1:21 pm

@Agartha wrote:
vision-master wrote:
The Bible is not religion, true Atheists do not believe in a creator and shun intelligent design. Everything was and is created randomly without spirit. Only physical matter exists.

Well......let's agree to disagree on the Bible.

And regarding atheists......yes, they believe in physical matter but they are moved by it, by nature, by the universe, by our biology: that is their spirituality. Spirituality has nothing to do with the paranormal or by higher beings....please re-read my comment above.


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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Wed Jul 09, 2014 1:29 pm

aggie has her own meanings to words.

spir·i·tu·al·i·ty

: the quality or state of being concerned with religion or religious matters : the quality or state of being spiritual

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Post by Agartha on Wed Jul 09, 2014 1:35 pm

vision-master wrote:aggie has her own meanings to words.

spir·i·tu·al·i·ty

: the quality or state of being concerned with religion or religious matters : the quality or state of being spiritual

LOL!! Please allow me to update you, VM!  geek


There is no single definition of spirituality...........

Modern spirituality is centered on the "deepest values and meanings by which people live." It embraces the idea of an ultimate or an alleged immaterial reality. It envisions an inner path enabling a person to discover the essence of his/her being.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirituality
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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Wed Jul 09, 2014 1:45 pm

Yet your views towards Holy Books is blasphemy?

Sacrilege is the violation or injurious treatment of a sacred object or person. It can come in the form of irreverence to sacred persons, places, and things. When the sacrilegious offence is verbal, it is called blasphemy, and when physical, it is often called desecration.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacrilege

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Post by Kaere on Wed Jul 09, 2014 1:48 pm

Depends on who's calling it sacred, I suppose.
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Post by Agartha on Wed Jul 09, 2014 1:52 pm

Yep....exactly what Kaere said...
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Post by Rockhopper on Wed Jul 09, 2014 1:57 pm

vision-master wrote:
@Rockhopper wrote:
@Mordae wrote:And often it's those who claim others beliefs (such as the big bang theory for example...just sayin') are those of "Bible babblers".  Laughing 

The point missed is that the question was about the Bible...not sumerian texts or other religious writings.

I was told that I started with a big bang! Wink

Whenever has a thread on this 4um ever stayed on course? They drift all over the show Mordman. Cool 

No I don't believe the bible is the word of god, it's the words of many men with ulterior motives. The OT is a copy of the Jewish Torah which was complied by several Rabbi in Alexandria around 500BC. and adopted by the Jewish tribes. The NT was a creation started in about 450AD and completed by about 900AD. Both are collections of fairy tales.

Tim.

Yes, you are correct, it's about who we are, humans seem to always have an agenda, right rock.

Apparently so VM. Just sayin'.

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Post by Rockhopper on Wed Jul 09, 2014 2:13 pm

Mr.W wrote:The Sumerian texts were written when the gods inhabited the earth.,.all other religious writings copy that

Not true Mr.W. the Chinese predated the Sumer texts by some 1000,s of years.

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Post by Rockhopper on Wed Jul 09, 2014 2:44 pm

vision-master wrote:
@Agartha wrote:
vision-master wrote:
Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.[1][2] In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities.[3][4][5] Most inclusively, atheism is the absence of belief that any deities exist.[4][5][6][7] Atheism is contrasted with theism,[8][9] which in its most general form is the belief that at least one deity exists.[9][10]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism

Yes, I agree, that is what atheism means.........BUT spirituality is not religion. Spirituality is what gives meaning to one's life. Some may find that meaning in the Bible and the Quran. Others find spirituality, that meaning, somewhere else.

Some atheists find spirituality simply by believing in the miracle of life and by rejoycing in the wonders of our own biology, of our incredible planet and the tantalizing infinite universe. Many atheists are very spiritual.

The Bible is not religion, true Atheists do not believe in a creator and shun intelligent design. Everything was and is created randomly without spirit. Only physical matter exists.

So you believe in Intelligent Design? Would you please point out any evidence that it happened and when.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence

Evidence, broadly construed, is anything presented in support of an assertion. This support may be strong or weak. The strongest type of evidence is that which provides direct proof of the truth of an assertion. At the other extreme is evidence that is merely consistent with an assertion but does not rule out other, contradictory assertions, as in circumstantial evidence.

Scientific evidence consists of observations and experimental results that serve to support, refute, or modify a scientific hypothesis or theory, when collected and interpreted in accordance with the scientific method.

Vision Master wrote:It's about who we are. You people don't get it.

Take a look @ yourself.

Look at Atheistic Counties, even worse (USSR).

Then again, look at Poland and Pope John, they threw the bums out!

Godless people here, people without faith....... Sad

The Fascist countries had nothing to do with atheism and all about revering their "Dear Leaders". Also they couldn't have a church challenging their tenuous hold on power.

The US is a classic example of Xtian nutters in general. A place where people wander through cafes with sub-machineguns, (the 2nd Amendment states specifically where and when one can bear arms), a place where often religious nutters kill children in schools, and place where a right wing religious nutter (McVeigh)bombed a building killing hundreds. The list goes on.

No thanks, I will stick to my atheism, too many have died in the name of religion of all kinds.

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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Wed Jul 09, 2014 4:50 pm

So you believe in Intelligent Design? Would you please point out any evidence that it happened and when.


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Post by Rockhopper on Wed Jul 09, 2014 6:40 pm

That's crystalisation VM. Nothing intelligent there. Every compound and element crystalises in it's own particular way which can be defined mathmatically.

It depends on the atomic structure of the compound and how those atoms connect with each other.

Furthermore it has nothing to do with whether the bible is true or not.

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Post by X on Wed Jul 09, 2014 8:02 pm

@Rockhopper wrote:
Mr.W wrote:The Sumerian texts were written when the gods inhabited the earth.,.all other religious writings copy that

Not true Mr.W. the Chinese predated the Sumer texts by some 1000,s of years.

Tim.

In my humble opinion..the date of said texts are severely miscalculated...

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Post by Rockhopper on Wed Jul 09, 2014 10:07 pm

S'okay Mr. W. it's you opinion and that's fine. I simply don't base what I know on the ramblings of some-one who claims to be the only true translator of the texts. Why is he so right and everyone else is wrong?

von Daniken; convicted fraudster 3 times, currently in gaol for fraud. Convicted for plagiarism.

Zecharia Sitchin; claimed to be the only one who could translate the Texts. 167 other Linguistic Scholars claimed differently and their translations stand up to scrutiny. Sitchin's does not and was 'adjusted' to fit his theory rather than the other way around. He used the controversy to sell his books. Blew his reputation as a serious scholar because of that.

To date there is no evidence at all of ET visitors at any time in human history and certainly no evidence that there was any kind of intervention in the development of humans. Until there is, I will remain sceptical.

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Post by Rockhopper on Wed Jul 09, 2014 11:56 pm

They would not, however, give up their own religion, nor could they accept the prevailing Hellenistic culture with its polytheistic foundations and pagan practice. Thus they came to create their own version of Hellenistic culture. They contended that Greek philosophy had derived its concepts from Jewish sources and that there was no contradiction between the two systems of thought. On the other hand, they also gave Judaism an interpretation of their own, turning the Jewish concept of God into an abstraction and His relationship to the world into a subject of metaphysical speculation. Alexandrine Jewish philosophers stressed the universal aspects of Jewish law and the prophets, de-emphasized the national Jewish aspects of Jewish religion, and sought to provide rational motives for Jewish religious practice. In this manner they sought not only to defend themselves against the onslaught of the prevailing pagan culture, but also to spread monotheism and respect for the high moral and ethical values of Judaism.

From here; http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/judaica/ejud_0002_0001_0_00765.html

More here; http://www.ccel.org/j/josephus/works/ant-1.htm from here you can see how the bible was created.

And here; http://freethoughtnation.com/forums/ a forum where there are lots of discussions on the bible and of Christ. The Admin is Dr.D.M Murdock, who has many qualifications in biblical history.

http://www.examiner.com/article/the-christ-conspiracy-the-huffington-post

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVxipYeWerc 14mins.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsaRQDxmLqY 15mins

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwVQ-91fCXc 1hr


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Post by X on Thu Jul 10, 2014 8:06 am

Lets talk about creation...as in life and all matter

what do we need to create these things...from nothing..or when there was nothing?

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