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Post by Stirky on Fri Nov 21, 2014 11:01 am

What area are you in VM, I can't remember? Have you been affected by the bad snowfalls???
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Post by Kaere on Fri Nov 21, 2014 11:16 am

But the polar vortex phenomenon isn't new... it's been taught in meteorology since at least the 50s. I think the warmer weather in recent times is less of a norm than the harsher cold... the media has a poor memory.
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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Fri Nov 21, 2014 11:19 am

@Kaere wrote:But the polar vortex phenomenon isn't new... it's been taught in meteorology since at least the 50s. I think the warmer weather in recent times is less of a norm than the harsher cold... the media has a poor memory.

No just January cold. We should still be above freezing, but morning/ daytime highs have been around 10 F.

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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Fri Nov 21, 2014 11:22 am

@Kaere wrote:But the polar vortex phenomenon isn't new... it's been taught in meteorology since at least the 50s. I think the warmer weather in recent times is less of a norm than the harsher cold... the media has a poor memory.

We had some really harsh winters and cold summers in the 1960's.

I remember as a kid, going to a pow-wow in July and the temp was 45 F. Summer swimming was best for the fatties. Razz

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Post by Lenzabi on Sat Nov 22, 2014 3:55 am

Biosphere is a mess, and may worsen if the leadership does not act to work on easing things so it may heal itself more. Of course when I was born, Humanity was just around say just under 3billion. now we are over 7billion and growing. Food will be strained between so many mouths to feed, and droughts. Water is a finite source as in drinkable water. De-salinization has it's own pitfalls. due to overfishing, most of if not all preferred fish stocks for human consumption will be extinct by 2038. Humanity has managed the world pretty poorly. Those with the "authority" any way, and the corporate greed freaks.

Many people realize that things have to change, but as they are not in power, their efforts have to be constant and loud to get any crumb of concession from those who play with the legalities to slow down such things. The Law is a double edged sword, which lady justice wields with the scales, Laws can help keep people from going to total anarchy and chaos, but they also can be manipulated to get advantages for those who have the money or wealth to manipulate the legal system.

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Post by Rogue on Mon Dec 01, 2014 8:52 am

NOAA: 2014 is shaping up as hottest year on record
By Shelby Lin Erdman
November 30, 2014

STORY HIGHLIGHTS

NOAA: Global temperatures pushing record highs this year

New study finds average global temperatures approaching "dangerous" benchmark

NOAA data looked at land and ocean conditions, then averaged the numbers

Parts of Europe, Eastern Russia saw more extreme temperature hike

(CNN) -- The first ten months of 2014 have been the hottest since record keeping began more than 130 years ago, according to data from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

That may be hard to believe for people in places like Buffalo, New York, which saw a record early snowfall this year.

But NOAA says, despite the early bitter cold across parts of the United States in recent weeks, it's been a hot year so far for the Earth.

With two months left on the calendar, 2014 is shaping up to be the hottest year on record.

The average global temperature between January and October has been 0.68 degrees Celsius (1.22 degrees Fahrenheit) higher than the 20th century's average global temperature of 14.1 C (57.4 F).

NOAA's analysis is an important "health gauge" indicating an ominous trend for the planet, says CNN meteorologist Derek Van Dam.

"It's becoming increasingly more difficult to be a skeptic of the causes of our warming planet," he says.

Hottest October

This October was the hottest October on record globally, NOAA data showed. The mercury climbed more than one degree Fahrenheit above the 20th century average of 57.1 F.

It was the fourth warmest October on record for the United States, NOAA said.

"The record high October temperature was driven by warmth across the globe over both the land and ocean surfaces and was fairly evenly distributed between the Northern and Southern Hemispheres," the agency said.
That's significant, says Van Dam.

"Most notably, this record warmth is not contained to any specific part of the world. Meaning, we are all in this together," he says. "So far this year, record-breaking warmth has been observed in at least every continent and major ocean basin of our planet. This is something we cannot ignore."

Important benchmark

NOAA's analysis breaks down global temperatures into two categories -- land and ocean -- then an average that includes both. The record high temperatures in October were recorded across both land and sea.
The surface temperature on land approached an important scientific benchmark. It was almost 2 degrees Celsius higher than the 20th century average for October of 9.3 C (48.7 F).

Scientists have long predicted that a change in global average temperature of just 2 to 3 degrees higher could spell disaster for the planet, contributing to catastrophic storms, sea level rise, dangerous storm surges and melting polar ice.

According to the non-binding international agreement on climate change -- the Copenhagen Accord, reached in 2009 -- any temperature increase above the 2 degree Celsius mark is "dangerous."
NOAA said the ocean temperatures were also the warmest on record in October with an increase of 1.12 F over the 20th century average of 60.6 degrees.

Hot spots

"Record warmth for the year-to-date was particularly notable across much of northern and western Europe, parts of Far East Russia, and large areas of the northeastern and western equatorial Pacific Ocean, " NOAA said. "It is also notable that record warmth was observed in at least some areas of every continent and major ocean basin around the world," the agency added.

Of particular note, several countries have already seen an average temperature increase of more than 2 degrees Celsius in October 2014 compared to 20th century averages, including Australia, Germany, France, Switzerland, and Sweden.

There was also one notable cold spot on the map.

The average temperature this year in the midsection of the United States, which saw a severe winter, has been below the 20th century average.
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/11/30/tech/innovation/record-temperatures/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Mon Dec 01, 2014 8:56 am

Show me the DATA, not someone's postulation. I've already SHOWN the historical temperate data for North America, remember (YOU CAN FIND IT ON THIS 4UM), the temperate graph is like a wave with the mid points FLAT........ No warming trends......

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Post by Rockhopper on Mon Dec 01, 2014 4:16 pm

VM/Omega you have been shown the data many times. If you choose to ignore it - fine.

It's not "Some-one's Postulation" at all. It's the concerted effort of many Climatologists, people who are eminently qualified to make such a judgement based on ALL the data not cherry picks.

Of course you apparently think that it's some sort of conspiracy that is keeping the real data secret. That just shows that you don't know how it works.

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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Mon Dec 01, 2014 4:29 pm

No, you have been shown the actual data, remember rock?

All you've shown are some made up graphs, show me the actual data behind them.

FYI @ 11:00 am this morning it was -17.22 ° C.

It MAY be warming in some parts of the world, but it ain't warming in the lower 48. That ain't GOLBAL that's regional weather changes rock. GOLBAL would be warming of the entire planet.

Do you get it now?


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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Mon Dec 01, 2014 4:31 pm

Ω wrote:Climate at a Glance

All 48 states, average temps, July, 1901/2000

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Nothing very alarming?

Just did a plot for All 48 states, average temps, December, 1901/2000

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Nothing very alarming?

Check it out r....... -> http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series

Refreshing your memory rock...

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Post by Rockhopper on Mon Dec 01, 2014 6:56 pm

Refreshing your memory VM/Omega.

From the site you posted:

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"Global Highlights

The combined average temperature over global land and ocean surfaces for October 2014 was the highest on record for October, at 0.74°C (1.33°F) above the 20th century average of 14.0°C (57.1°F).
The global land surface temperature was 1.05°C (1.89°F) above the 20th century average of 9.3°C (48.7°F)—the fifth highest for October on record.
For the ocean, the October global sea surface temperature was 0.62°C (1.12°F) above the 20th century average of 15.9°C (60.6°F) and the highest for October on record.
The combined global land and ocean average surface temperature for the January–October period (year-to-date) was 0.68°C (1.22°F) above the 20th century average of 14.1°C (57.4°F). The first ten months of 2014 were the warmest such period on record."

 Maybe you should read the whole site not just bits of it.

More:

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Even more still from the same site.

With records dating back to 1880, the global temperature averaged across the world's land and ocean surfaces for October 2014 was the highest on record for the month, at 0.74°C (1.33°F) above the 20th century average. This also marks the third consecutive month and fifth of the past six with a record high global temperature for its respective month (July was fourth highest).

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Next time read the whole bloody site before you sound off!

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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Tue Dec 02, 2014 7:35 am

That's not the data, just a few charts. I need the detailed  historical temperature data from all the measured points that make up these graphs.

Also, I need records from the ocean readings, I doubt they go back 100 years, other than a very few locations.

I showed you the time data sets from the lower 48, with that data you can create your own charts from x, y coordinates.

I'm calling your GW BS.

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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Tue Dec 02, 2014 7:39 am

Global Cooling is Here

INTRODUCTION

Despite no global warming in 10 years and recording setting cold in 2007-2008, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climatic Change (IPCC) and computer modelers who believe that CO2 is the cause of global warming still predict the Earth is in store for catastrophic warming in this century. IPCC computer models have predicted global warming of 1° F per decade and 5-6° C (10-11° F) by 2100 (Fig. 1), which would cause global catastrophe with ramifications for human life, natural habitat, energy and water resources, and food production. All of this is predicated on the assumption that global warming is caused by increasing atmospheric CO2 and that CO2 will continue to rise rapidly.

However, records of past climate changes suggest an altogether different scenario for the 21st century. Rather than drastic global warming at a rate of 0.5 ° C (1° F) per decade, historic records of past natural cycles suggest global cooling for the first several decades of the 21st century to about 2030, followed by global warming from about 2030 to about 2060, and renewed global cooling from 2060 to 2090 (Easterbrook, D.J., 2005, 2006a, b, 2007, 2008a, b); Easterbrook and Kovanen, 2000, 2001). Climatic fluctuations over the past several hundred years suggest ~30 year climatic cycles of global warming and cooling, on a general rising trend from the Little Ice Age.


http://www.globalresearch.ca/global-cooling-is-here/10783

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Post by Lenzabi on Tue Dec 02, 2014 11:36 am

Prof. Easterbrook, who is attached to that site and work, is one of the 3% of scientists who disagree with the other 97%, also a favorite amongst corporate climate deniers.

he is doubted by skeptical science
http://www.skepticalscience.com/don-easterbrook-heartland-distortion-of-reality.html

Heartland Institute was first started by the BIG Tobacco, and is partly funded by Koch Brother Charles

So basically, the trail points to the anti-climate change warming to have ties to the worst industrial polluters on the planet,,,,the Kochs.

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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Tue Dec 02, 2014 11:54 am

NOTE: It's always DENIERS...

I never said climate is and can't change, the warming is BS.

Guess who funded the Smithsonian's Human Origins Program, the Kochs. Look it up and find out for yourself.

Just another Atheist on the Island, eh Lenz.

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Post by Lenzabi on Tue Dec 02, 2014 12:00 pm

If I was an atheist, I would not worry or believe in reincarnation, spirits, other realms and beings or state anything about my Dragon side. because to Atheists, that is my version of a invisible sky friend which is their term for God(s).

I just will look at things and look for their roots, the Kochs have a vested interest in many things, which includes stripping the EPA of power so that they can continue polluting, denying climate issues for the same, as well as destroy democracy so that they can make America a Libertarian-Fascist-corporate nation.

I was merely pointing it out that Easterbrook has Koch strings attached there so that they can have someone in their pocket to state one thing, while he goes against the other 97%


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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Tue Dec 02, 2014 12:04 pm

Whatever..........

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California Drought, High Temperatures Create Worst Conditions In 1,200 Years
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Posted: 12/05/2014 4:13 pm EST Updated: 12/06/2014 12:59 am
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/05/california-drought-worst-1200_n_6278220.html
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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Sat Dec 06, 2014 8:40 am

@Rogue wrote:

California Drought, High Temperatures Create Worst Conditions In 1,200 Years
Reuters
Posted: 12/05/2014 4:13 pm EST Updated: 12/06/2014 12:59 am
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/05/california-drought-worst-1200_n_6278220.html

And now the Sierra Mountains are being dumped on with snow. The cycles of weather.

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