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Post by Rockhopper on Wed Oct 01, 2014 3:30 am

A fascinating doco on Masada in Israel and the mass suicide that was supposed to have happened. You decide!



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Post by Agartha on Wed Oct 01, 2014 5:24 am

To me it never happened, it's just another Biblical myth: there is no evidence of fires, no arrowheads were ever found, no rests of walls that have been destroyed and no evidence of a battle at all.
Plus, what happened to the 967 bodies?

If anything really happened at Masada, there's no physical evidence that proves it.
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Post by Rockhopper on Wed Oct 01, 2014 9:11 pm

Most of Jewish history never happened Ags. Judaism was set up as a ethno-religion in Alexandra back in 700BC. The scholars who set it up wrote the history as well.

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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Thu Oct 02, 2014 8:58 am

@Agartha wrote:To me it never happened, it's just another Biblical myth: there is no evidence of fires, no arrowheads were ever found, no rests of walls that have been destroyed and no evidence of a battle at all.
Plus, what happened to the 967 bodies?

If anything really happened at Masada, there's no physical evidence that proves it.

Masada isn't mentioned by name in the Bible.

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Post by Aianawa aianawa nui on Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:57 pm

Cheers , will look when i have time, lsol
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Post by Rockhopper on Thu Oct 02, 2014 10:58 pm

Even the Romans, who were avid record-keepers, have no record of it!

Judaism was created in Alexandra and probably developed from the beliefs of the Yazidis. The Yazidis are mono-theistic and they call their Big Fella "Yahvid". The probable origin of "Yahweh" in Judaism.

There is a large group of Yazidis and Coptics in Alexandra.

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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Fri Oct 03, 2014 9:22 am

The word `elohim is a word that designates a "classification" of beings or entities.  It is like other classification words, i.e., mankind, animals, birds, etc.  It is most often found in the indefinite form `elohim, which we suggest should be translated as "an elohim."  It is also found in the definite form ha-`elohim, which we suggest should be translated as "the elohim."  The reason we are using the transliterated form "elohim," instead of the usual translation "God/god," is because there is a tremendous amount of theological baggage attached to the translation.  We suggest that you build your own "Meaning Profile" for the word.

Our research indicates that the text of the Hebrew Bible neither supports the monotheistic claims of Rabbinic Judaism nor the Trinitarian claims of many sects of Christianity.  Instead, it reveals a history of transition from a world of many "elohims" to the ultimate dominance of Yahweh the elohim of Israel.


EL and Elohim - EL is the supreme creator god of the Canaanites who lives with the other gods on Mount Zaphon (similar to Mount Olympus of the Greeks but located at the mouth of the Orontes river near the border between Turkey and Syria). He is the father of all the gods and men and is often addressed as such by the Canaanite gods. He is the god of the earth and the air who is represented by a bull. He is derived from the Sumerian god AN. In the Bible EL is translated as God. Elohim is the plural form of EL yet in most places in the Bible it is used in the singular sense so it is also translated as God instead of gods. Strict monotheism was not fully developed in Israelite thought until their exile to Babylon. Before then Yahweh (translated as Lord in the Bible) was the god of Israel and Judah (officially their only god) whose principle power and characteristic was that of justice and righteousness. Because he judged other peoples and gods he soon came to be seen as the supreme God (the equivalent of EL), and finally as the only God for all people. Echoes of Israel's earlier stages of understanding are found in some old psalms as follows:.

◦Psalm 82:1: Elohim has taken his place in the assembly of EL, in the midst of the elohim He holds judgment.

◦Psalm 29:1: Ascribe to Yahweh, O sons of EL, ascribe to Yahweh glory and strength.
◦Psalm 89:6: For who in the skies can be compared to Yahweh, who among the sons of EL is like Yahweh.


http://www.biblicalheritage.org/Linguistic/HL/1-A/-elohiym.htm

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Post by Agartha on Fri Oct 03, 2014 4:00 pm

VM, The Hebrew word masada is generally translated stronghold or fortress in the English Bible. Apparently the stronghold of David is Masada.
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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Fri Oct 03, 2014 4:58 pm

@Agartha wrote:VM, The Hebrew word masada is generally translated stronghold or fortress in the English Bible. Apparently the stronghold of David is Masada.

Apparently it could be many places. The word "Masada" is not in the Bible, zero...

H̱orvot Meẕada is not in the Orthodox Jewish Bible.

Also known as Es-Sebbeh, Horvot Metsada, Masada, Massada, Massada Rock Fortress, Metsada, Metzada, Sabba, Sebbe, Масада, מצדה, Ḥorvot Metsada, 马萨达

con-jec-ture aggie. lsol

1. the formation or expression of an opinion or theory without sufficient evidence for proof.

2. an opinion or theory so formed or expressed; guess; speculation.

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Post by Agartha on Sat Oct 04, 2014 6:00 am

Yes, you are correct VM, it is not in the Torah at all, I just checked as I have time. So yeah, my bad, it was never mentioned there.

But you and me see those stories and books differently, hence I said it's another Biblical myth...... I said so because many stories and characters in the Bible have no evidence they ever existed.

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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Sat Oct 04, 2014 10:03 am

Why such hatred for the sacred texts?

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Post by Agartha on Sat Oct 04, 2014 10:30 am

III wrote:Why such hatred for the sacred texts?

There is no hate, at all, I just don't believe they are the word of God (or Gods).

But there is a dislike, as they have been used to brainwash and dominate people..... that's all.
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Post by Kaere on Sat Oct 04, 2014 10:44 am

III wrote:Why such hatred for the sacred texts?

One could also ask "why such adoration?". I think the answer pretty much comes down to the same thing, either way.
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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Sat Oct 04, 2014 1:34 pm

Go back to yer silly 'game' threads....... lsol

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Post by Agartha on Sat Oct 04, 2014 2:12 pm

III wrote:Go back to yer silly 'game' threads....... lsol

Ah..... can't cope with two clever, outspoken women, VM?
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Post by Kaere on Sat Oct 04, 2014 2:27 pm

III wrote:Go back to yer silly 'game' threads....... lsol

LOL... no. You're not the boss of me Razz

I didn't say anything mean or untowards, I feel it was a valid observation about two differing reactions to the same thing.
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Post by Rockhopper on Sat Oct 04, 2014 4:57 pm

Do you believe in the Grimm's Fairy Tales VM?

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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Sat Oct 04, 2014 5:26 pm

~ Masada............

0 Bible results for “Masada.”

Sorry, we didn’t find any results for your search. Please try the following:
•Double-check spelling, especially people and place names.
•Make sure there are spaces between words. Bible Gateway treats “nameoftheFather” and “name of the Father” differently.
•Use fewer words in your search, especially if you’re unsure of the exact phrase. For example, “baptizing name Father” and “baptizing them in the name of the Father” will both return Matthew 28:19; however, the latter leaves a greater chance for spelling and syntax errors.
•Retry your search in another translation.


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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Sat Oct 04, 2014 5:33 pm

Flavius Josephus -> Siege of Masada

Not Biblical Story. lsol

STOP THE MIS-QUOTED BIBLE BABBLE!

HATERS OF OUR RELIGIOUS HERITAGE!!!!!

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Post by Rockhopper on Sat Oct 04, 2014 6:39 pm

III wrote:Flavius Josephus -> Siege of Masada

Not Biblical Story. lsol

STOP THE MIS-QUOTED BIBLE BABBLE!

HATERS OF OUR RELIGIOUS HERITAGE!!!!!

Oh my we are sensitive today!

No-one said it was a Biblical story. It's part of Israeli "history". I also know that it was referred to by Josephus in the "Antiquities of the Jews". That doesn't make it true either.

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