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Post by Mordae on Mon Oct 27, 2014 12:49 am

Could Mysterious Engravings of Ancient Egyptians in Austrialia Rewrite our History?

...Owing to the real possibility this land, irrespective of the credentials for or against the Gosford Glyphs, could be sold then developed, a different approach is compulsory. It has been our agreed stance to categorise all the sites/relics we are sharing as being ‘found within 2 hours of Sydney’, but that generalised approach doesn’t apply in this location. Those engravings, and other related platforms (one is actually located within this block) are now directly under threat.

The distance between this unique site and that of the Gosford Glyphs is far too close for coincidence or comfort. As to determining the bona fides of this supposed Egyptian site, we have one advantage. According to Dr. Hans-Dieter von Senff, who has produced a draft paper on the site:

These Hieroglyphs are real and have existed for some 4,500 years in Australia. In order to prove that these Proto-Egyptian glyphs are not graffiti, as claimed by various “Experts” and “Egyptologists,” but are the written record left by pre-historic man, written in a coherent and understandable language that makes sense even 4,500 years later. This site is no hoax, but a genuine archaeological discovery; as is proven by the newly discovered second set of glyphs.

The critics who dispute the origin of these engravings numbering over 300 are not sensitive to the bigger picture, and if proven to be engraved by Egyptians, these glyphs form a pivotal and historic epitaph to an Australian history very few suspect. The engravings were first properly translated by Ray Johnson, claimed to be proto-Egyptian and accepted “as correct by the General Director of Cairo Museum, Dr. Dia’ Abou-Ghazi.”1 However, despite the endorsement of the resident expert in Cairo, Australian academics with less impressive credentials are adamant this is an elaborate hoax.

The site includes an engraved Ankh (see image above courtesy of Steve Strong), an essential accompaniment to Thoth, placed alongside an Ibis footprint (Thoth’s recent animal counterpart) and what we believe to be the ‘River of Life’. Two Ibis-men engraved into rock, both in profile with the head of an ibis and body of a human, seem to resonate to the same ancient Egyptian theme. What really surprised us was that not only are the ibis and Thoth synonymous, but originally Thoth was depicted in ape-form. And it is this more ancient representation that is found twice in Australia, extending the horizons considerably. A statue found at Gympie, said to act as one of five sentries guarding the controversial seven-stepped pyramid at Gympie, is a depiction of Thoth in his more primal ape-like form and has been argued over and often ridiculed...
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Post by Rockhopper on Mon Oct 27, 2014 1:26 am

I don't think that they are Egyptian Mordie. Just remarkably similar.

The Old Egyptians were not a seafaring nation and also Gosford is on the NSW coast as well. If they did visit it stands to reason they would have stopped on the north western side of the country not 5000 miles further around just to write something on a rock.

Doesn't make sense to me mate.

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Post by Mordae on Mon Oct 27, 2014 7:22 pm

According to the article, apparently it was identified as "proto-egyptian"...which leaves it open for interpretation I guess.

Location-wise, I suppose it would depend on the direction the mariners were travelling in, as to which patch of land they hit first.

My personal thought is that it's another one of those annoying anomalies that keep cropping up, although some of the Maori kauae designs were also thought to have been very similar to that found in Assouan, Upper Egypt. (article is in JPS Vol XIII - 1905).

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Post by Agartha on Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:15 am

According to Egyptologists they are fake, probably done in the 20th century:
-These inscriptions are very disorganised and are not cut the way ancient Egyptians cut rock.
- Some of the shapes are incorrect
- Symbols from Egyptian eras thousands of years apart have been grouped together
- If the Egyptians had travelled to Australia, it'd make more sense if they had arrived on the West Coast, and not the East.

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BUT, I was reading the comments in the article you provided, Mords, and I am now curious about the fact that apparently coca and eucalyptus have been found in tombs...... I will see if I can find anything about it.
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Post by Mordae on Tue Oct 28, 2014 4:22 pm

It could well be Ag's, although apparently the carvings were covered in lichen growths when discovered. These take a very long time to become fully established on exposed rock (although it could possibly be seeded on there).

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Post by Rockhopper on Wed Oct 29, 2014 12:38 am

Anything is possible Mordie but some things are just not probable.

There is the possibility that the various 'writings' evolved in parallel to each other. Like the wheel did.

I am of the opinion that they are a hoax, as Ags says they don't follow normal Egyptian progression. And Lichen can grow quickly on a surface given the right conditions.

As for a different direction of arrival; as I said the Egyptians were not seafarers and certainly didn't have a boat that could cross an ocean.

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Post by Agartha on Wed Oct 29, 2014 3:30 pm

Oh yes, anomalies are fun! And who doesn't love a good mystery!!!??

Here is what I have found about ancient Egyptians and coca:

Traces of coca and nicotine found in some Egyptian mummies have led some  to speculate that Ancient Egyptians may have traveled to the New World. The initial discovery was made by a German toxicologist, Svetlana Balabanova, after examining the mummy of a female priestess called Henut Taui. Follow-up tests of the hair shaft, performed to rule out contamination, gave the same results. The significance of these findings lies in the fact that both coca and tobacco plants are indigenous to the Americas and were thought not to have existed in Africa until sometime after the voyages of Columbus

Obviously the findings have been criticised saying the mummies must have been contaminated or that incorrect techniques were used: http://www.faculty.ucr.edu/~legneref/ethnic/mummy.htm
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Post by Mordae on Wed Oct 29, 2014 4:07 pm

I am of the opinion that they are a hoax, as Ags says they don't follow normal Egyptian progression. And Lichen can grow quickly on a surface given the right conditions.

As for a different direction of arrival; as I said the Egyptians were not seafarers and certainly didn't have a boat that could cross an ocean.
Quite right Tim, without knowing the species of lichen and the growth structure/coverage, it's impossible to say.

I'm still of an open mind regarding the ocean travel though, after having a think, it did occur to me that if one was a sun-worshipper, the natural direction to travel would be to the west. While the Egyptians didn't have ocean going boats, other cultures at the time did, and there were interactions between the various cultures at the time (make it maybe 500 years before Solon's visit to Egypt), so maybe a ship from that culture with an Egyptian navigator (only takes one to carve.). Improbable, yes, but still possible.

If the Piri Reis map isn't a hoax, it certainly indicates someone managed to sail around the oceans, then put the charts into the library of Alexandria.

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Post by Rockhopper on Wed Oct 29, 2014 7:42 pm

Yup it is Ags!

The Chinese mapped part of the east coast of Aust Mordie. They may have even made it to Antarctica who knows?

The Piri Reis map is shown to be a copy of an earlier Chinese one, just the centre moved to Alexandria. There are some anomalies in it too that seem to be just guess work.

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Post by Agartha on Thu Oct 30, 2014 6:16 am

The Piris Reis map was drawn in 1513, after Columbus reached the Americas:

In his notes on the map, Piri wrote that he'd compiled it from about 20 existing maps from seafaring nations all around Europe and Asia. These included ancient Greek maps of the Meditteranean and Indian Ocean, Arabic maps of India, Portuguese maps of Pakistan and China, and the latest map from Columbus showing the Caribbean islands and a bit of the American east coast.
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