The Truth About the Wars...

[Rockhopper]

A US ex-general discusses what has gone wrong in Afganistan and Iraq.

AS a senior commander in Iraq and Afghanistan, I lost 80 soldiers. Despite their sacrifices, and those of thousands more, all we have to show for it are two failed wars. This fact eats at me every day, and Veterans Day is tougher than most.

As veterans, we tell ourselves it was all worth it. The grim butchery of war hovers out of sight and out of mind, an unwelcome guest at the dignified ceremonies. Instead, we talk of devotion to duty and noble sacrifice. We salute the soldiers at Omaha Beach, the sailors at Leyte Gulf, the airmen in the skies over Berlin and the Marines at the Chosin Reservoir, and we’re not wrong to do so. The military thrives on tales of valor. In our volunteer armed forces, such stirring examples keep bringing young men and women through the recruiters’ door. As we used to say in the First Cavalry Division, they want to “live the legend.” In the military, we love our legends.

Here’s a legend that’s going around these days. In 2003, the United States invaded Iraq and toppled a dictator. We botched the follow-through, and a vicious insurgency erupted. Four years later, we surged in fresh troops, adopted improved counterinsurgency tactics and won the war. And then dithering American politicians squandered the gains. It’s a compelling story. But it’s just that — a story.

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Tim.

[Lenzabi]

Black Sabbath song had it down pretty pat!

"War Pigs"

Generals gathered in their masses,
just like witches at black masses.
Evil minds that plot destruction,
sorcerers of death's construction.
In the fields the bodies burning,
as the war machine keeps turning.
Death and hatred to mankind,
poisoning their brainwashed minds...Oh lord yeah!

Politicians hide themselves away
They only started the war
Why should they go out to fight?
They leave that role to the poor

Time will tell on their power minds
Making war just for fun
Treating people just like pawns in chess
Wait `till their judgement day comes, yeah!

Now in darkness, world stops turning,
as you hear the bodies burning.
No more war pigs of the power,
hand of god has struck the hour.
Day of judgement, god is calling,
on their knees the war pigs crawling.
Begging mercy for their sins,
Satan, laughing, spreads his wings...Oh lord, yeah!

[Monk (in hiding)]

Hitler was a Rothschild...

[Lenzabi]

Hitler was a Rothschild...

That is a pretty wild hair of a speculation there, any sources that actually support that?

[Monk (in hiding)]

According to a book by a psychoanalyst, Walter Langer, called The Mind of Hitler, not only was Hitler supported by the Rothschild's, he WAS a Rothschild. This revelation fits like a glove with the actions of the Rothschild's and other Illuminati bloodlines in Germany who brought Hitler to the fore as dictator of that nation. He was also supported by the British Royal Family, the House of Windsor (in truth the German House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha), and these included the British royal "war hero", Lord Mountbatten, a Rothschild and a Satanist. Their royal relatives in Germany, who you would never have thought would normally support an apparent guy from the street like Hitler, were among his most enthusiastic supporters. But, of course, they knew who he really was. There is no way in the world when you do any study of the Illuminati obsession with bloodline that Hitler would not have been one of them. Langer writes:

"Adolf's father, Alois Hitler, was the illegitimate son of Maria Anna Schicklgruber. It was generally supposed that the father of Alois Hitler (Schicklgruber) was Johann Georg Hiedler. There are some people who seriously doubt that Johann Georg Hiedler was the father of Alois (an Austrian document was) prepared that proved Maria Anna Schicklgruber was living in Vienna at the time she conceived. At that time she was employed as a servant in the home of Baron Rothschild. As soon as the family discovered her pregnancy she was sent back home, where Alois was born."


http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/hitler_was_a_rothschild.htm

[Mordae]

A US ex-general discusses what has gone wrong in Afganistan and Iraq.

AS a senior commander in Iraq and Afghanistan, I lost 80 soldiers. Despite their sacrifices, and those of thousands more, all we have to show for it are two failed wars. This fact eats at me every day, and Veterans Day is tougher than most.

As veterans, we tell ourselves it was all worth it. The grim butchery of war hovers out of sight and out of mind, an unwelcome guest at the dignified ceremonies. Instead, we talk of devotion to duty and noble sacrifice. We salute the soldiers at Omaha Beach, the sailors at Leyte Gulf, the airmen in the skies over Berlin and the Marines at the Chosin Reservoir, and we’re not wrong to do so. The military thrives on tales of valor. In our volunteer armed forces, such stirring examples keep bringing young men and women through the recruiters’ door. As we used to say in the First Cavalry Division, they want to “live the legend.” In the military, we love our legends.

Here’s a legend that’s going around these days. In 2003, the United States invaded Iraq and toppled a dictator. We botched the follow-through, and a vicious insurgency erupted. Four years later, we surged in fresh troops, adopted improved counterinsurgency tactics and won the war. And then dithering American politicians squandered the gains. It’s a compelling story. But it’s just that — a story.

Source

Tim.

Lol, Afganistan was always going to go badly. If you read the first 10 principals in "The art of war" the Afgan invasion went directly against over half of them.

[Rockhopper]

Yep Mordie. Afganistan is called the "Graveyard of Empires" for good reason. Greek, Turk, Kazarkh, Britz and now the Yanx.

Tim.

[Stargate]

I think most countries that wage war with Afghanistan have failed to take time out to study the history and mainly the culture of that country. As  matter of fact only countries with short historical background make such grave mistakes and realize this when they are actually fighting. The Russians warned America not to go into Afghanistan because they discovered that there is more to defeating them than bombs. T he US was warned not to interview in Vietnam but the turned a blind eye because they believed in the power of their bombs. The main thing they did not calculate was what defeated them in the end, that was deep rooted culture. Africa is a very good example of deep rooted culture. If you consider the western assault on the continent of Africa there are no other nations of people that have suffered such devastation and survived. Africa has not been conquered, colonised, but not conquered, why? It is almost impossible to conquer culture as deep as in Africa. It is only a matter of time when bombs will have lost their explosive power. The power of culture is far way more powerful than any man made bombs. History tells us that wars destroys the makers of such weapons, everything is measured on it's opposite. Afaganistan, Lybia, Seria, all of these places have lived through many tribulations, it is nothing new, they will pravail against bombs and weapons much the same as a peaceful continent such as Africa will prevail against all odds no matter how it looks at present. Nothing last forever except change.

[Monk (in hiding)]

TPTB are working on removing culture from the USA to nothing more than being a 'consumer' and a good little sheeple.

Read -> Protocols of the Elders of Zion.......

[Lenzabi]

TPTB are working on removing culture from the USA to nothing more than being a 'consumer' and a good little sheeple.

Read -> Protocols of the Elders of Zion.......

THat was a proven bogus book written by anti-semites for the sole purpose of making prejudice acceptable, so that is not a good source for any basis in an argument.

[Monk (in hiding)]

TPTB are working on removing culture from the USA to nothing more than being a 'consumer' and a good little sheeple.

Read -> Protocols of the Elders of Zion.......

THat was a proven bogus book written by anti-semites for the sole purpose of making prejudice acceptable, so that is not a good source for any basis in an argument.

Show me the evidence, to just claim it has been proven bogus is meaningless.

So, you are a Jew, eh!

Being Jewish/ Anti-semitic has nothing to do with your argument.

Antisemitism (also spelled Anti-Semitism or anti-semitism) is prejudice against, hatred of, or discrimination against Jews as a national, ethnic, religious or racial group.[1][2] A person who holds such positions is called an "antisemite". As Jews are an ethnoreligious group, antisemitism is generally considered a form of racism.[3]

It's about the Elders of Zion!

[Rockhopper]

If you take into account the biblical version the Semites were the descendants of Shem, Noah's son.

They include all the Arama (Hebrews, Palestinians, most Jordanians, South Lebonese and a sizable chunk of Egyptions)

The Jews hyjacked the word.

Tim.

[Monk (in hiding)]

Jordanians are Persians, this I know as fact!

[Lenzabi]

The Protocols of the Elders of Zion or The Protocols of the Meetings of the Learned Elders of Zion is an antisemitic hoax purporting to describe a Jewish plan for global domination.[1] It was first published in Russia in 1903, translated into multiple languages, and disseminated internationally in the early part of the 20th century. Henry Ford funded printing of 500,000 copies that were distributed throughout the US in the 1920s.

Adolf Hitler and the Nazis publicized the text as though it were a valid document, although it had already been exposed as fraudulent. After the Nazi Party came to power in 1933, it ordered the text to be studied in German classrooms. The historian Norman Cohn suggested that Hitler used the Protocols as his primary justification for initiating the Holocaust—his "warrant for genocide".[2]

The Protocols purports to document the minutes of a late 19th-century meeting of Jewish leaders discussing their goal of global Jewish hegemony by subverting the morals of Gentiles, and by controlling the press and the world's economies. It is still widely available today and even now sometimes presented as a genuine document, whether on the Internet or in print in numerous languages.

Huh, the Russkies did it , not the usual suspects.

Another part

The Protocols is a fabricated document purporting to be factual. Textual evidence shows that it was transcribed by a speaker of Ukrainian and could not have been produced prior to 1901. It is notable that the title of Serge Nilus's widely distributed edition contains the dates "1902-1903", and it is likely that the document was actually written at this time in Russia, despite Nilus' attempt to cover this up by inserting French-sounding words into his edition.[3] Cesare G. De Michelis argues that it was manufactured in the months after a Russian Zionist congress in September 1902, and that it was originally a parody of Jewish idealism meant for internal circulation among anti-Semites, until it was decided to clean it up and publish it as if it were real. Self-contradictions in various testimonies show that the individuals involved, including the text's initial publisher Pavel Krushevan, purposefully obscured the origins of the text and lied about it in the decades afterwards.[4]

If the placement of the forgery in 1902-3 Russia is correct, then it was written at the beginning of the anti-Jewish pogroms in the Russian Empire, in which thousands of Jews died or fled the country. Indeed, many of the people whom De Michelis suspects of involvement in the forgery were directly responsible for inciting the pogroms.

Literary forgery

The Protocols is one of the best-known and most-discussed examples of literary forgery, with analysis and proof of its fraudulent origin going as far back as 1921.[9] The forgery is an early example of "conspiracy theory" literature.[10] Written mainly in the first person plural,[a] the text includes generalizations, truisms and platitudes on how to take over the world: take control of the media and the financial institutions, change the traditional social order, etc. It does not contain specifics.[12]

More in the link, but yes, it is a college class concept in writing about forging a story and presenting it as truth.

As for religions, I am a pagan, a reincarnationist with some Native American and other blended concepts that shy from dogmatics religious concepts.

However, I was adopted and raised by a Jewish family, so I have seen that they are little different from all others except their religious observances. Just part of the Judaic-Christian-Islamic triangle of Abrahamic religions.

[Rockhopper]

Jordanians are Persians, this I know as fact!

Yep and the Greeks are Swedish.

Tim.

[Kaere]

Jordanians are Persians, this I know as fact!

You may be thinking of the Iranians? Persia is present day Iran.

[Monk (in hiding)]

I forget. lsol

[Rockhopper]

Yep you're right Ka. But they are like us and all intermixed today.

Syriacs are descendants of the old Assyrians.

People often mis-name the people there as "Arabs" but Arabs only make up about 10% of the population in that region.

I forget. lsol

No worries, we all make mistakes mate.

Tim.

[Agartha]

Yes, Iranians are Persians, my friend is married to an Iranian and him and his friends and family do not call themselves Muslims, they are Persians...... I didn't want to correct 'No name' cause I didn't want to make him upset.

[Monk (in hiding)]

Liberals.

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