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Re: Just wondering

Post by Agartha on Tue Nov 25, 2014 4:16 pm

Great song, Omega, love it!!

(I can't call you VM anymore.... you feel so different now..... so Omega it is! Very Happy )
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Re: Just wondering

Post by Agartha on Tue Nov 25, 2014 4:18 pm

@Ken McClellan wrote:Not sure if I just sent you a PM or two.  Will get used to the new format someday.

hahaha yes you did! If you go to outbox it will show you which PMs you have sent that are still waiting to be read...... or sentbox if they have been read.

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Re: Just wondering

Post by Ken McClellan on Tue Nov 25, 2014 8:06 pm

Jaguar. A priesthood of the Maya and the Egyptians.
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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Tue Nov 25, 2014 9:04 pm

@Agartha wrote:Great song, Omega, love it!!

(I can't call you VM anymore.... you feel so different now..... so Omega it is! Very Happy )

Call me nothing. Did you not hear about 'labels'?

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Re: Just wondering

Post by Ken McClellan on Tue Nov 25, 2014 9:12 pm

Oh man, don't go all Prince on us!
Didn't know what to call him after he
came up with that funky symbol ...
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Re: Just wondering

Post by Stargate on Tue Nov 25, 2014 10:26 pm

@Ken McClellan wrote:All religions seem to start at a Creation.  And that chapter of human existence appears to be a given, in that the tales of catastrophe appear very similar.  So, like Sitchin, I'd probably start there and see whether the Indian or the Sumerian/Syriac culture appeared to have the best explanation of what happened.  From there, it would be a case of figuring out who owned the tale and who wrote the derivative episodes ... and at what point they took a turn to make their religion their own.  So, for example, you find the Genesis derived from earlier myths.  And you find Christian and Moslem derivatives from there.  And branches and twigs from there.  In truth, I'm not looking for anything definitive, just a connection between the evolution of doctrine and the genealogy of the gods.

What intriegs you in the geneology of religion Ken? How far back can you go? As far back to the presents of man religion was there. The definition itself is man made. I would also think Stichin got his information from somewhere. Are my questions making any sense to you?

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Post by Ken McClellan on Tue Nov 25, 2014 11:15 pm

I think you're carrying a bit of 18th century baggage there. It was popular leading up to the French Revolution to pretend that it was all just some sort of oppressive societal control ... and it certainly is in part. But if you go back far enough with a fine enough sieve you find the Precessional common denominators. It's all a big clockwork and the shamans and priests and goddesses and titans and simurghs were giving us the keys to Earth's periodic disasters. As religion branches out, we forget more and more of the secrets, hence my essentially fundamentalist position of wanting to go back to the beginning to see what we're missing. Religion itself is an old wives tale that some groups want to use against everyone else as their own empowering narrative. Look how far away you get from the original prophets within two generations! I just want to warn folks about what's coming down the pike. The natural stuff and the secret society stuff are just simultaneous disasters to be avoided if you can. As to Sitchin, yes, he had some good sources. And some of his stuff he apparently just made up to fill in the gaps. His documentation was sometimes spectacularly lacking and he was taken to task for it.
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Re: Just wondering

Post by Lenzabi on Wed Nov 26, 2014 1:20 am

Ken, I think you would have to first get permission to the real Vatican repository of old scrolls/books/etc and then be able to decipher the dead languages and the ones that are barely alive to learn what you seek. Well, except for the unfortunate destruction by the Spanish Inquisition of the Mayan Codecs, seems that and the lost info at the Library of Alexandria were major great losses to knowledge

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Re: Just wondering

Post by Agartha on Wed Nov 26, 2014 4:13 am

Ω wrote:
Call me nothing. Did you not hear about 'labels'?

How are we meant to address you here then?

Ken you are correct, Sitchin did make up stuff hence I take everything he says with a pinch of salt...
Actually, his self introduction in his books says he had a degree in ancient languages.... he does not, he graduated from the London School of economics. Sitchin's translations of the Sumerian language would never pass peer review. Who knows how many other lies he told?
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Re: Just wondering

Post by Monk (in hiding) on Wed Nov 26, 2014 8:51 am

@Agartha wrote:
Ω wrote:
Call me nothing. Did you not hear about 'labels'?

How are we meant to address you here then?

Ken you are correct, Sitchin did make up stuff hence I take everything he says with a pinch of salt...
Actually, his self introduction in his books says he had a degree in ancient languages.... he does not, he graduated from the London School of economics. Sitchin's translations of the Sumerian language would never pass peer review. Who knows how many other lies he told?

How do you address the animals of nature?

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Re: Just wondering

Post by Monk (in hiding) on Wed Nov 26, 2014 9:00 am

@Agartha wrote:
Ω wrote:
Call me nothing. Did you not hear about 'labels'?

How are we meant to address you here then?



Ken you are correct, Sitchin did make up stuff hence I take everything he says with a pinch of salt...
Actually, his self introduction in his books says he had a degree in ancient languages.... he does not, he graduated from the London School of economics. Sitchin's translations of the Sumerian language would never pass peer review. Who knows how many other lies he told?

So tell us who the peer review scholars are for the Sumerian language.

Here's where your logic fails.....

You continue  to rebleat your misguided logic over and over.....

Jean-François Champollion  a Grenoble school teacher with an interest in ancient Egypt, who in 1822, saw copies of the brief hieroglyphic and Greek inscriptions of another Egyptian artefact, the Philae obelisk, on which William John Bankes had tentatively noted the names "Ptolemaios" and "Kleopatra" in both languages. From this, Champollion identified the phonetic characters k l e o p a t r a.  On the basis of this and the foreign names on the Rosetta Stone, he quickly constructed an alphabet of phonetic hieroglyphic characters, which was the real breakthrough for reading Egyptian hieroglyphics.

http://yovisto.blogspot.com/2012/07/cracking-code-champollion-and-rosetta.html

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Re: Just wondering

Post by Ken McClellan on Wed Nov 26, 2014 9:18 am

How do you address the animals of nature?

Reminds me of my littlest grandson earlier this week.  I was on Skype to his mom and she was talking and changing him.  The 18 month old decided he didn't really want pants on, so took off skipping across the room when he was just half clean.  She yelled, "Come back here you Monkey!"  And without missing a beat, he yelled back over his shoulder, "OO OO eee eee!"  I'm not sure the animals care much what we call them!
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Re: Just wondering

Post by Monk (in hiding) on Wed Nov 26, 2014 11:23 am

@Ken McClellan wrote:
How do you address the animals of nature?

Reminds me of my littlest grandson earlier this week.  I was on Skype to his mom and she was talking and changing him.  The 18 month old decided he didn't really want pants on, so took off skipping across the room when he was just half clean.  She yelled, "Come back here you Monkey!"  And without missing a beat, he yelled back over his shoulder, "OO OO eee eee!"  I'm not sure the animals care much what we call them!

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Post by Agartha on Wed Nov 26, 2014 12:35 pm

How do I address the animals of nature?
Well, 'no name' (makes me think of Lord Voldemort, lol), I address the animals by saying 'Hello you', 'Come here sweety', 'Cutie' 'Little baba' and similar expressions/words in Spanish and Italian..... I don't think it would be appropriate if I start calling you that!
hahahaha

(I'll come back to Sitchin later on or tomorrow Very Happy )

LOL at your grandson, Ken! I've had my fair share of strikers here! hahaha
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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Wed Nov 26, 2014 2:23 pm

@Agartha wrote:How do I address the animals of nature?
Well, 'no name' (makes me think of Lord Voldemort, lol), I address the animals by saying 'Hello you', 'Come here sweety', 'Cutie' 'Little baba' and similar expressions/words in Spanish and Italian..... I don't think it would be appropriate if I start calling you that!
hahahaha

(I'll come back to Sitchin later on or tomorrow Very Happy )

LOL at your grandson, Ken! I've had my fair share of strikers here! hahaha


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Re: Just wondering

Post by Rockhopper on Wed Nov 26, 2014 4:20 pm

Oh yeah I can relate to those "Strikers"!

Religion is a concept and as such has different meanings to each individual. What one person believes to be true another often does not. Therein lays it's problem in the world.

As a Christian society we too often criticise other belief systems but we need to look at Christianity's own chequered past.

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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Wed Nov 26, 2014 5:01 pm

As a Christian society we too often criticise other belief systems but we need to look at Christianity's own chequered past.


So, you don't criticize other peoples belief systems? scratch

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Re: Just wondering

Post by Ken McClellan on Wed Nov 26, 2014 5:38 pm

I get as tired of the atrocity-committing intolerant morons today in black or white nightgowns as I would have the ones of the 15th Century in gray or black bathrobes.
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Post by Rockhopper on Wed Nov 26, 2014 7:54 pm

@Ken McClellan wrote:I get as tired of the atrocity-committing intolerant morons today in black or white nightgowns as I would have the ones of the 15th Century in gray or black bathrobes.

Agreed Ken. It would seem to be accurate to say that religions are used to control people.

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Post by Ken McClellan on Wed Nov 26, 2014 8:20 pm

Yes they are used that way.
No they were not invented for that reason.
See Gobekli Tepe. See the Dresden Codex.
See the symbology of any of them.
The warning is in the Genesis equivalents.
Everything after that is maxims, ego, money ...
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