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Post by Rockhopper on Fri Dec 05, 2014 2:42 am

A fascinating look at the development of modern humans.Homo Erectus (including the Denisovans) could not compete with Sapiens.

A dramatic reconstruction of the interaction between the species. In two parts. Part two describes the meeting between Sapiens and Neanderthals.





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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Fri Dec 05, 2014 6:59 am

Story based on what proven evidence?

Programing of and for the masses.

Who controls the British Broadcasting Corporation? Who decides what the content is? The same people who control the BBC news?


http://www.tvhome.co.uk/bbcnews24/home.phtml

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Why the inverted pentagram in the topmost banner overshadowing the British Isles.


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Post by Rockhopper on Fri Dec 05, 2014 4:47 pm

It's based on all the info we know VM/Omega. 

If you are privy to other info then you know what to do. Write an abstract (a short summary) of what you have found out, it's sources and why you have come to the conclusions that you have. Then publish it on a legitimate Science Magazine so it can be peer reviewed. If it stands up to such scrutiny then it will be accepted. Here's a place to start:

http://www.thescienceforum.com

Oh Gosh, I forgot, there's a grand conspiracy to suppress the real info!

Furthermore, if you have a problem with the BBC then take it up with them, Im just the messenger.

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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Fri Dec 05, 2014 5:11 pm

Your plane of existence is not the same as mine. No sense in trying to convince me to join into your way of thinking.  I know, this bothers you.

You see rockie, there are different levels of awareness. Mine happens to be in a different plane of understanding.

How about informing us on the evolution of our spirit, our evolved understanding of existence. The very essence of who we are, our true origins.

The story you are telling, we all learned in our public schools, classic government schooling, all over the western world. We all have heard the story many times, maybe your not so sure it's really the truth as you keep rebleating it over and over.

When will you stop, the pain.......

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Post by Rockhopper on Fri Dec 05, 2014 7:07 pm

Not trying to convince you VM/Omega. That's just your paranoia.

Perhaps you not so sure that you are right as well? That's why you keep on rabbitting on about it. Say it often enough and even you will believe it.

I really don't care what you think or feel or even what you think you feel. As I have said before, don't like -- don't respond, it's quite simple really.

I have found that most people, even some people here, live in a real world not one that is fanciful.  

I'm not interested in the so-called spirit VM/Omega it's meaningless. It has no place in a scientific discussion unless you can back it up with facts and evidence. To date you haven't.

When will you stop, the bullshit....

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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Sat Dec 06, 2014 1:17 pm

"Many ordinary people, reading the works of a single popularizer, believe that the riddle of human origins has been solved. In no case is this true, and all the ideas in print today - including our own - are more or less naked speculation." (1982) "The Monkey Puzzle", Bodley Head: London, p:160

NOTE: As a scientist, formerly involved in research, I know that claims of fact without indisputable proof would not be tolerated in most branches of experimental science. In medicine, health and nutrition, for example, scientists would be deregistered, de-frocked, disbarred and sued for propagating theory as fact. Paleoanthropology (the study of ancient humans) appears to be one field where such rules of factual integrity are deliberately and universally ignored.

http://unmaskingevolution.com/25-human.htm

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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Sat Dec 06, 2014 2:08 pm

Where does this 'missing link' fit in?

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Post by Agartha on Sat Dec 06, 2014 2:16 pm

You know what I think about these skulls, ­­'alt234'.
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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Sat Dec 06, 2014 2:19 pm

Yeah, big headband Tonto... Laughing

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Post by Lenzabi on Mon Dec 15, 2014 8:08 am

So far, I have found part 1 interesting, and will when chance sit through 2.

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Post by Lenzabi on Thu Dec 18, 2014 12:38 pm

Okay, so on the one hand, we had cousins who would likely have tried to survive by eating us as they were different.

the other, I think a combination of competition on some part, mixed with intermarriage/breeding and some of the genes of Neanderthal pop up every now and then in some of us. I am quite Neanderthalish in body build, have insane color recognition for a guy, and can track motion in moonlight,low light.

Facially, I am quite modern.

The last pure strain neanderthals likely were trying to avoid being "absorbed" or bred out, but they did die out in Gibraltar.

A very nice bit of dramatization based on the forensics

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Post by Rockhopper on Thu Dec 18, 2014 2:26 pm

Yes Len. What you're describing is the normal variations of humans. Some are tall, others are short. Some are big, others are slim. Some have red hair, others are blonde and so on.

It's based on Forensics and Forensics are a Science. One that has been developed over 200 years or longer.

Apparently the Neanderthals died out because they couldn't compete with Sapiens for the same food stock.

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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Thu Dec 18, 2014 3:45 pm

@Lenzabi wrote:Okay, so on the one hand, we had cousins who would likely have tried to survive by eating us as they were different.

the other, I think a combination of competition on some part, mixed with intermarriage/breeding and some of the genes of Neanderthal pop up every now and then in some of us. I am quite Neanderthalish in body build, have insane color recognition for a guy, and can track motion in moonlight,low light.

Facially, I am quite modern.

The last pure strain neanderthals likely were trying to avoid being "absorbed" or bred out, but they did die out in Gibraltar.

A very nice bit of dramatization based on the forensics

The again, what's more likely is Homo Sapiens were created by an advanced race. I know it's hard to admit we could be nothing more than an experiment, yet the truth of our origins has been hidden. The evolutionists are in the same class as global warming climatologists. No missing link has ever been discovered and the climate models keep being adjusted because there projections are not accurate..

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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Thu Dec 18, 2014 3:49 pm

Also, before psycho man flips out on me once again..

Here's vmPFC

Decision making[edit]

Patients with bilateral lesions of the vmPFC develop severe impairments in personal and social decision-making[4][7] even though most of their intellectual ability is preserved.[7][8] For instance, they have difficulties in choosing between options with uncertain outcomes, whether the uncertainty is in the form of a risk or of an ambiguity.[9] After their lesion, these patients have an impaired capacity to learn from their mistakes, making the same decisions again and again even though they lead to negative consequences. These patients choose alternatives that give immediate rewards, but seem to be blind to the future consequences of their actions.[7] However, the underlying mechanisms of this behaviour are not yet fully understood.[7]

Damage to the ventromedial prefrontal cortex (especially in the right hemisphere) has been connected with deficits in detecting irony, sarcasm, and deception.[10] Subjects with damage in this area have been found to be more easily influenced by misleading advertising.[11] This has been attributed to a disruption of a "false tagging mechanism" which provides doubt and skepticism of new beliefs.

People with damage to the ventromedial prefrontal cortex still retain the ability to consciously make moral judgments without error, but only in hypothetical situations presented to them. There is a gap in reasoning when applying the same moral principles to similar situations in their own lives. The result is that people make decisions that are inconsistent with their self professed moral values.[4] People with early damage to the ventromedial prefrontal cortex are more likely to endorse self-serving actions that break moral rules or cause harm to others. This is especially true for patients whose damage occurred the earliest in life.[12]

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Post by Rockhopper on Thu Dec 18, 2014 5:52 pm

Human evolution has been traced completely from it's beginnings to modern man. Not evidence anywhere  of alien intervention. When there is then the mainstream will change their view, they work on reality not hallucinations of the weird and whacky.


The Alien Interventionists have not yet come up with any evidence that can prove what they say is correct. Just continual whining that there is a massive "Conspiracy" to cover the truth. Whenever they come up with so-called evidence it is debunked by real testing not just flights of fancy.


None have ever published their data and hypotheses in genuine Science Publications. They are just in the business of selling books to gullible and sometimes stupid people. At least when the Grimm Brothers wrote their books on fairy stories they weren't peddling them as being real!


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Post by Lenzabi on Thu Dec 18, 2014 8:56 pm

What I have found as they did some studies between people of different builds showed the people who have the total "modern" human "architecture" I.E. body/muscle/bone/fat deposit build have trouble staying warm in colder conditions without a lot of good war clothing.

People with a more close to "Neanderthal build" i.e. barrel ribcage, power in upper shoulders/arms, shorter, thicker legs, retained heat under same conditions for longer periods, and could get through with a bit less clothing wise.

Of course that 9k calory diet of Neanderthal meant that food competition from modern humans, I can see the interbreeding so that both sub groups would gain by mixing the good parts, and try and overcome any negatives. Hence the mix-match of modern present day people.

Basically, if i were back then, my present conditions would be that of a dying methusellah for the neans, I lost my prime about at 30-ish, been downhill since 35.

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Post by Rockhopper on Thu Dec 18, 2014 11:25 pm

Yes Len we have Neanderthal genes in all of us to a greater or lesser extent. For what we know about them Len, you would have been well taken care of though.

Perhaps it was just competition with Sapiens for grub or even that they were not so adapted the the cold climate in the last Ice Age. Being at Gibraltar suggests that they moved south as it got colder too. 

I can relate to your health situation too, mine started to deteriorate about 10 years after I left 'Nam. The combined effects of everything piled up on me. Notably the breathing issues first, the physical issues later.

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Post by Lenzabi on Fri Dec 19, 2014 4:12 am

@Rockhopper wrote:Yes Len we have Neanderthal genes in all of us to a greater or lesser extent. For what we know about them Len, you would have been well taken care of though.

Perhaps it was just competition with Sapiens for grub or even that they were not so adapted the the cold climate in the last Ice Age. Being at Gibraltar suggests that they moved south as it got colder too. 

I can relate to your health situation too, mine started to deteriorate about 10 years after I left 'Nam. The combined effects of everything piled up on me. Notably the breathing issues first, the physical issues later.

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Likely I would be telling stories by the campfire to pass down what I knew to the younger ones in the group.

I think it may have been a combination of things that punched out our having distinct cousins to interact with today. The food issues, the breeding out, the trouble dealing with the technology of sapiens, the weather, having to move. It all took it's toll

Aye, seems 10 good years post service, then slow deterioration, then the crashes of health. 1995 was my last good year work wise, then i started to slow down a bit. it was 2000 when the edema first was known, so I wish I had had access to medical coverage then.
Thankfully, they got your lungs worked on. I am still waiting on knee work to be cleared. Walking is very painful for the moment.

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Post by Rockhopper on Fri Dec 19, 2014 5:29 pm

Yea Len. You would have been the one who spat the murals on the cave walls! Wink

Something my Dad taught me when I was growing up was the good things happen in their own time. The time is coming for your knee operations mate.

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