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Post by Mordae on Mon Dec 08, 2014 1:40 am

Laughing In a lot of cases it's more that our ancestors did it, but we can't (or won't).
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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Mon Dec 08, 2014 7:29 am

@Rockhopper wrote:Just wondering VM/Omega. Have you actually seen those sites in Egypt in person? I have.

There are detailed records by the Romans about building the temple at Baalbek and how they moved and places those stones in place. Some of which were 800 Tonnes.

Roman Crane



More info Here.

And More Here.

We must be sure that we don't drop into the Logical Fallacy; "I can't do that so my ancestors couldn't either".

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The Roman 'Temple of Jupiter' was built on top of a much older structure.

The Romans cut and moved 800 ton stones? Show me a convincing link?

lol - 800 ton stones lifted, by this? WIH ROPES......  Razz





800 t each[22] Trilithon (3x) Blocks Baalbek, Lebanon Roman Empire Plus about 24 blocks 300 tons each[23]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_monoliths_in_the_world


BS rockie, BS........

Why these stones are such an enigma to contemporary scientists, both engineers and archaeologists alike, is that their method of quarrying, transportation and precision placement is beyond the technological ability of any known ancient or modern builders. Various ‘scholars’, uncomfortable with the notion that ancient cultures might have developed knowledge superior to modern science, have decided that the massive Baalbek stones were laboriously dragged from the nearby quarries to the temple site. While carved images in the temples of Egypt and Mesopotamia do indeed give evidence of this method of block transportation - using ropes, wooden rollers and thousands of laborers - the dragged blocks are known to have been only 1/10th the size and weight of the Baalbek stones and to have been moved along flat surfaces with wide movement paths. The route to the site of Baalbek, however, is up hill, over rough and winding terrain, and there is no evidence whatsoever of a flat hauling surface having been created in ancient times.

http://sacredsites.com/middle_east/lebanon/baalbek.html

Article dated 2012.

"Ten years ago, 1,000 tons was a pretty sizable crane, and it still is," says Mitch Landry, vice president of Baton Rouge, La.-based Deep South Crane & Rigging. Its VersaCrane model TC-36000/1, built in 2001 and good for 2,268 tonnes (2,500 short tons), ranks at No. 9 on our list.

http://enr.construction.com/products/equipment/2012/0925-the-worlds-biggest-supercranes.asp

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Re: The Forgotten Technology of Ancient people.

Post by Monk (in hiding) on Mon Dec 08, 2014 7:44 am

Hey rockie, how did the ancients cut these rose granite stones like this?

Copper chisels and stone hammers........ lsol



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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Mon Dec 08, 2014 7:51 am





Ramses face is a perfect mirror image to the other implies that precise measurements had to have been used in its creation. It means that the statue was carved in intricate detail to create precise three-dimensional surfaces. The jaw-lines, eyes, nose and mouth are symmetrical and were created using a geometric scheme that embodies the Pythagorean Triangle as well as the Golden Rectangle and Golden Triangle.

The PERFECT Symmetry of the Rames Statue at Luxor.

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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Mon Dec 08, 2014 11:11 am


Red Granite Obelisk carved with precision machine tools - Obelisk at Karnak Temple.

All four sides are carved identical.

Close up detail work -> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/33/Luxor_-_hieroglyphs_on_obelisk.jpg

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Post by Rockhopper on Tue Dec 09, 2014 3:01 pm

You still haven't answered my question VM/Omega. Have you ever been to any of them in person???? I don't think you have. Yet you claim to be an expert. Yeah right!

Go and have a look and inspect the stones for yourself and you'll see how it was done.

 The comment there about "Copper" shows just how little you do know. The Egyptians never used copper tools. Go and find out what it was that they used.

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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Tue Dec 09, 2014 3:33 pm

That was rather condescending rockie.

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Post by Rockhopper on Tue Dec 09, 2014 5:18 pm

Ω wrote:That was rather condescending rockie.

Leaned that from you!

Still no answer, wonder why!

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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Tue Dec 09, 2014 7:40 pm

Condescending rockie, very condescending...

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Post by Agartha on Wed Dec 10, 2014 3:25 am

Ω wrote:ASWAN




'No name', these pictures you posted show how they were carved, with stones and loooots of manual labour. This guy shows exactly how:



"....the stone, still attached to bedrock, gives important clues to how the ancients quarried granite.
Archeologist Mark Lehner, a key member of the NOVA expedition, crouches in a granite trench that abuts one side of the Unfinished Obelisk. Lehner holds a piece of dolerite similar to the kind that he and others believe Egyptian quarrymen used to pound out the trench around the edges of the obelisk. They then lifted the pulverized granite dust out of the trenches with baskets. Evidence also exists that workers pounded underneath the obelisk until the monument rested on a thin spine.

Lehner says that huge levers were probably used to snap the obelisk from its spine, freeing it so it could be carved more finely and transported.

He believes Egyptians were able to cut and carve granite by adding a dash of one of Egypt's most common materials: sand.

"We're going to put sand inside the groove and we're going to put the saw on top of the sand," Stocks says. "Then we're going to let the sand do the cutting."

It does. The weight of the copper saw rubs the sand crystals, which are as hard as granite, against the stone. A groove soon appears in the granite. It's clear that this technique works well and could have been used by the ancient Egyptians.

Whole info here: LINK


The ancient Egyptians also left instructions on how to carve and chisel:


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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Wed Dec 10, 2014 7:29 am

Agartha, that's GRANITE.

You need to ask a stone mason and a master craftsman and skilled machinist, not an archaeologist.

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Some academics believe that the shaping of the obelisk was done with diorite stones such as those seen above. However, diorite has a hardness, out of 10 on the Mohs scale (diamond being 10) of 6 to 7, which is about the same hardness as the granite…thus, this technique would be very inefficient.

In the pit of a smaller unfinished obelisk we can see the marks left by whatever tools were used to shape it. Diorite balls would be very ineffective at trying to achieve this, as they would tend to wear almost as fast as the granite surface. So how was it done?






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Post by Agartha on Wed Dec 10, 2014 8:10 am

If you read my link you'll see they used sand to cut granite. They have done experiments showing it can be achieved.
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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Wed Dec 10, 2014 8:50 am

@Agartha wrote:If you read my link you'll see they used sand to cut granite. They have done experiments showing it can be achieved.
Very Happy

Lot's of sanding going on, eh, you should try sanding some granite into shape.

Imagine sanding a 1000 ton obelisk into shape. Very Happy

And to think the washington monument pales in comparison. So much for advanced technology, from ancient single piece of carved granite to brick and mortar construction. I'd say we have devolved. What do you think?


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Post by Agartha on Wed Dec 10, 2014 9:45 am

I wouldn't say we have devolved (as we are evolving all the time) but we have forgotten amazing skills our ancestors had. One little example, my grandmother could knit blankets, socks, jumpers, with all sort of material.... I can't do it, I am useless at it and I don't even bother! lol

But, 'no name', what I have to agree with you is that no technique for cutting granite has yet been confirmed by scientists, all they have is scientifically unproven theories.... maybe one day, eh? Wink

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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Wed Dec 10, 2014 10:54 am

@Agartha wrote:I wouldn't say we have devolved (as we are evolving all the time) but we have forgotten amazing skills our ancestors had. One little example, my grandmother could knit blankets, socks, jumpers, with all sort of material.... I can't do it, I am useless at it and I don't even bother! lol

But, 'no name', what I have to agree with you is that no technique for cutting granite has yet been confirmed by scientists, all they have is scientifically unproven theories.... maybe one day, eh? Wink

Evolving, say's who. Must I go back to the old testament?

Our lives were shortened after the deluge.

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Our days may come to seventy years, or eighty, if our strength endures; yet the best of them are but trouble and sorrow, for they quickly pass, and we fly away
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Genesis 6:3

25 When Methuselah had lived 187 years, he became the father of Lamech. 26 After he became the father of Lamech, Methuselah lived 782 years and had other sons and daughters. 27 Altogether, Methuselah lived a total of 969 years, and then he died.
Genesis 5:25-27

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Post by Agartha on Wed Dec 10, 2014 1:02 pm

Ω wrote:
Evolving, say's who. Must I go back to the old testament?

Our lives were shortened after the deluge.

Evolving says the evidence, for example: we are loosing our wisdom teeth as they are not needed, we are resisting diseases like malaria (with crooked red blood cells like the ones people with Thalassemia trait or Sickle cell trait), our brains are shrinking (which doesn't mean we are getting dumber), etc.

You believe in what the Jewish Torah says (the Old testament), I do not see it as the word of God.

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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Wed Dec 10, 2014 1:30 pm

lol - we evolved, so now we must wear clothe in order to stay warm.

The Old testament is more like a history book, show me another example if you don't agree?

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Post by Rockhopper on Wed Dec 10, 2014 3:33 pm

VM/Omega here's a challenge for you. Save up a bit of coin and take a trip to your own Smithsonian.  Just inside in the foyer there is an information office. Ask there for directions to the Egyptian Studies area. When you get there ask the staff if you can see the records of everything they have on Old Egypt. 

There is an archive full of thousands of documents by the Archaeologists of what they found, what the testing was done and even how the testing was done too. Read them mate. You will be educated.

Now I will try to explain just how a mudsaw works: a mudsaw is made of a softer material and the cut is fed with sand and water. As the saw goes back and forth, the saw blade picks up the sand and drags it through the cut. Over time the stone is cut into pieces that way. Today they are still used in quarries but the motive power is electricity. In the days of Old Egypt they had man power, many men working. Literally thousands of men.

The techniques they used to lift and move the stones is there in the Egyptian Hieroglyphics. When the design was copied by investigators the cranes etc. worked well. The techniques also worked when they were copied.

I have asked you many times if you have been to Egypt, a question that you have studiously ignored which tells me that you haven't. There in the Museum at Cairo there are the tools that were used by the Old Egyptians. Visit it and learn. There is only so much that can be learned from books the rest has to be learned by visiting the sites.

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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Wed Dec 10, 2014 3:46 pm

Giza - Granite!


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