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Post by Agartha on Sat Dec 27, 2014 5:37 pm

I'll come back to this tomorrow morning, and I will reply to the issues you have raised, VM as I do have simple answers for all of them.
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Post by Rockhopper on Sat Dec 27, 2014 5:48 pm

Hmmmm! No response to what I wrote. So what does that say about the OP? Did he check his sources? Or did he just blindly follow his own personal beliefs? Did he check out the sources and see if they were worthy of belief? Or did he just say "Gosh, that's what they say is true so it must be true!". 


Any open-minded person would check up on the sources to see what the reality is. I can't help but wonder why the OP didn't do that.

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Post by Kaere on Sat Dec 27, 2014 6:50 pm

Kindly stop referring to those who disagree with you as being narcissists. You fit every single one of the traits listed, does that mean you're fair game if I decide I want to call you a narcissist? I'm not qualified to do so and NEITHER ARE YOU.

Lay off the personal attacks. If you can't back up your work and claims, that's your problem and not the fault of anyone else.

Unless, you're just doing this kind of thing to try to wind people up and enjoy the conflict? Somehow I think this is the case... classic trolling behaviour.



Ω wrote:If you have narcissistic personality disorder, you may come across as conceited, boastful or pretentious. You often monopolize conversations. You may belittle or look down on people you perceive as inferior. You may feel a sense of entitlement — and when you don't receive special treatment, you may become impatient or angry.

At the same time, you have trouble handling anything that may be perceived as criticism. You may have secret feelings of insecurity, shame, vulnerability and humiliation. To feel better, you may react with rage or contempt and try to belittle the other person to make yourself appear superior. Or you may feel depressed and moody because you fall short of perfection.


http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/narcissistic-personality-disorder/basics/symptoms/con-20025568
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Post by Rockhopper on Sun Dec 28, 2014 1:16 am

Some info for you to peruse:

Photo taken by the LRO in 2009. Even shows the tracks of the rover and foot track of the astronauts!

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Photo taken by the Japanese low orbit satellite,

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And a video on how and why such things like no stars happen.



It's time to put this conspiracy thread to rest!

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Post by Agartha on Sun Dec 28, 2014 4:52 am

Tim, I was coming to post the pics taken by the Japanese satellites! You beat me to it, darn! lol

VM, I'll go through some of your points...

Technology.

True, my kitchen appliances have more computer power than the Apollo ever did, but they used analog technology back then, not digital and the Apollo 'computer' only had one task to perform: guidance. All the number crunching was actually performed at the control centre on earth and then guidance was transmitted to the Apollo computer, which then acted upon them. Since it only had one program, the computer only needed a very small amount of RAM, just to hold temporary results of guidance calculations, nothing else.

We all know the difference between analog and digital, as we are all 40+: digital requires an automated active processing that performs a duty cycle, per cycle in  memory (and converts all info received into numbers which then is converted automatically into more info or commands). Analog is a lot simpler: an old analog computer was simply programmed to follow a cycle and whatever variations were needed.. these cycles were basically 'hardwired' into the framework, the computer didn't have to read and convert information like digital and that made those old analog computers, like in the Apollo, a continuous process without fail. But the future is digital, less precise and more prone to faults, but a lot cheaper and more capable of incredible tasks.

EDIT: I just read that in 1961 the Mercury spacecraft flew into space without any computer onboard and the mission was still succesful and Mercury followed precised and controlled trajectories without errors!
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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Sun Dec 28, 2014 8:44 am

@Kaere wrote:Kindly stop referring to those who disagree with you as being narcissists. You fit every single one of the traits listed, does that mean you're fair game if I decide I want to call you a narcissist? I'm not qualified to do so and NEITHER ARE YOU.

Lay off the personal attacks. If you can't back up your work and claims, that's your problem and not the fault of anyone else.

Unless, you're just doing this kind of thing to try to wind people up and enjoy the conflict? Somehow I think this is the case... classic trolling behaviour.



Ω wrote:If you have narcissistic personality disorder, you may come across as conceited, boastful or pretentious. You often monopolize conversations. You may belittle or look down on people you perceive as inferior. You may feel a sense of entitlement — and when you don't receive special treatment, you may become impatient or angry.

At the same time, you have trouble handling anything that may be perceived as criticism. You may have secret feelings of insecurity, shame, vulnerability and humiliation. To feel better, you may react with rage or contempt and try to belittle the other person to make yourself appear superior. Or you may feel depressed and moody because you fall short of perfection.


http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/narcissistic-personality-disorder/basics/symptoms/con-20025568

I luv you too Kaere. I love you

Maybe it's time you step up to the plate and voice your opinion on these threads. You do know we never hear from you except chit-chat safe topics.

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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Sun Dec 28, 2014 8:46 am

@Agartha wrote:Tim, I was coming to post the pics taken by the Japanese satellites! You beat me to it, darn! lol

VM, I'll go through some of your points...

Technology.

True, my kitchen appliances have more computer power than the Apollo ever did, but they used analog technology back then, not digital and the Apollo 'computer' only had one task to perform: guidance. All the number crunching was actually performed at the control centre on earth and then guidance was transmitted to the Apollo computer, which then acted upon them. Since it only had one program, the computer only needed a very small amount of RAM, just to hold temporary results of guidance calculations, nothing else.

We all know the difference between analog and digital, as we are all 40+: digital requires an automated active processing that performs a duty cycle, per cycle in  memory (and converts all info received into numbers which then is converted automatically into more info or commands). Analog is a lot simpler: an old analog computer was simply programmed to follow a cycle and whatever variations were needed.. these cycles were basically 'hardwired' into the framework, the computer didn't have to read and convert information like digital and that made those old analog computers, like in the Apollo, a continuous process without fail. But the future is digital, less precise and more prone to faults, but a lot cheaper and more capable of incredible tasks.

EDIT: I just read that in 1961 the Mercury spacecraft flew into space without any computer onboard and the mission was still succesful and Mercury followed precised and controlled trajectories without errors!

It's so obvious to me we never went to the Moon in 69 aggie.

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Post by Agartha on Sun Dec 28, 2014 9:31 am

Ω wrote:

It's so obvious to me we never went to the Moon in 69 aggie.

I have no problem with that, in fact I don't mind what people think, I just love discussing different views. But to me we went there, 5 times and we left traces... and I have a reply to any question you may have about it! lol

But what I don't understand is how you and others do not believe we are in space now.
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Post by Kaere on Sun Dec 28, 2014 9:41 am

Ω wrote:Maybe it's time you step up to the plate and voice your opinion on these threads. You do know we never hear from you except chit-chat safe topics.

I don't post on these types of subjects because I couldn't care less about them *shrugs*
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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Sun Dec 28, 2014 10:13 am

Followed by a Moon shadow, Moon shadow.......

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Post by Stargate on Sun Dec 28, 2014 7:30 pm

AGS, you have touched on some of the unknowns of that time. You may not believe how many people use the term digital and do not know the difference between the two. Oscilloscope's were analog then, there are many questions about the accuracy's pertaining to distortion, especially in photography. I myself have learnt a lot more about lighting and shadow projectory and would now be able to ask questions now I did not know then. Mind you I am not entirely saying they did not go to the moon, I would question if humans went there.  The question of the Van Allen's radiation belt is a barrier into deeper space for human beings. This radiation passes through every substance including human matter, it is supposedly fatal on impact, I would like to know how they overcame that.

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Post by Rockhopper on Sun Dec 28, 2014 8:55 pm

Good points Star.

The van Allen belts vary in strength and width. The courses were plotted through the thinnest and weakest areas of the belt. A continuous flight along the belt would do a lot of damage to a person but  a quick trip across it would not do much at all. The van Allen belt is made up of alpha rad, beta rad and a kind of Cosmic rad (very high energy rad). Now Alpha radiation (moving protons) can be stopped by a piece of paper, Beta rad (moving electrons) can be stopped by a thin skin of metal. But Cosmic rad has very high energy and can penetrate metal and people.

There is a peculiar property of Styrene that has the ability to diminish the penetration of Cosmic rays. So the capsule, insulated with styrene, is only passing through the van Allen belt for about 1 hour each journey and the crew had a minimal exposure to them. When Cosmic rays hit metal they produce X-rays that reflect back in the direction that the Cosmic rays come from. So, in all, the amount of radiation the crew were subjected to was less than a chest X-ray.

As for the computer systems, well Apollo 11 was manually flown and the landing capsule was piloted by Armstrong who started as a Navy pilot and then became a Test pilot before he was picked for the trip. Armstrong flew the Lander down to the surface and flew it back again. Collins was the Command Module pilot.

The Nay-sayers still haven't come up with just how all those thousands of people who worked on the project were sworn to secrecy -- that Grand Conspiracy of Silence and how it was kept so secret for so long, they would all have been in on the deal. That makes no sense either. Some-one would have spilled the beans long ago. No-one did so it's just a conspiracy that's all.

Now the Japanese and the Chinese have all sent probes and orbiters to the Moon, they have photographed the landers and other equipment left behind but of course, they have all been sworn to secrecy too and are part of the cover-up. That makes no sense either.

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Post by Lenzabi on Sun Dec 28, 2014 9:30 pm

Especially seeing as how China is looking at how they can get to exploit the moon. Why lie about the things they discovered sitting there except for minerals they may have a crack at getting?

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Post by Agartha on Mon Dec 29, 2014 6:01 am

A few years back, the first time I read one of the moon landing conspiracy, it really pushed me to find out about it as I wanted to know the truth.... and the overwhelming scientific evidence made me believe we did go to the moon. I have read so much about it I can answer any question you or anybody may have.

The Van Allen radiation belt... well, our friend Tim explained it really well. The astronauts received just 1 rem of radiation in total; radiation sickness is caused by a dose of 100 to 200 rem, death at 300+ rem. The hoax advocates forget that the belt is shaped like a doughnut and with a slight inclination of 30 degrees the Apollo managed to avoid it and only had to cross the edges. Lots of info here:
http://www.wwheaton.com/waw/mad/mad19.html

Another question VM raised was about the heat on the moon and how did the astronauts survive. Whilst it's true that heated things cannot be cooled down in space, the spacesuits white colour reflected most of the sun radiation, minimizing the amount absorbed. The spacesuits also have a cooling system: water circulates through tubes in the cooling garment, absorbing heat from the astronaut's bodies. The heat is then carried to the exchanger in the backpack where ice would carry it away as gas (by sublimation). Ice is made continually by exposing small amount of water to the vacuum of space which freezes it immediately. The astronauts spacesuits of today still work with this same system, they have not changed.

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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Mon Dec 29, 2014 8:37 am

Problem is, no way could this piece of junk land on the moon.

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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Mon Dec 29, 2014 8:46 am

2013

Van Allen Probes Discover a New Radiation Belt


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NASA's twin Van Allen Probes, launched just last August, have revealed a previously unknown third radiation belt around Earth.

The scientists published their results in a paper in the journal Science on Feb. 28, 2013. Incorporating this new configuration into their models of the radiation belts offers scientists new clues to what causes the changing shapes of the belts – a region that can sometimes swell dramatically in response to incoming energy from the sun, impacting satellites and spacecraft or pose potential threats to manned space flight



http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2013/28feb_thirdbelt/

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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Mon Dec 29, 2014 4:44 pm


Moon Landing Hoax Apollo 14 : Houston Jokes With Astronaut About Hidden Wire Men That Help Him Jump

The second Apollo 14 Astronaut going down the ladder. At 2:00 the Astronaut after landing on the ground, leaps back up to the last ladder step, at 2:21 the Astronaut says, "A little push and just spring right up", Then at 2:26 Houston replies, saying something that is not totally clear, it is the only unclear bit of communication in the 3 minute 6 second video, it is as if what Houston said was deliberately made unclear. What Houston is saying is in reply to the Astronaut springing easily up to the ladder & down again, "A little push and just spring right up", Houston said "I guess those guys out there with those wires know what they're doing", then the Astronaut crackles with laughter, and replies "Yea, sure glad they did too, thats great"

Also at 2:30 to 2:40 in the video when the Astronaut is crackling with laughter at Houstons witty reply, look at what the Astronaut is doing with his arms and hands. See how fast he is moving his hands and arms around, it's as if he hasn't got air pressured arms and hands inside that spacesuit.

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