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Post by Stargate on Mon Dec 29, 2014 9:44 am

@Stirky wrote:
@Agartha wrote:Chinese crossed a chimp and a human? How cruel... why? I don't see the point.... that poor creature....

OMG really???!!!! That is terrible!!! Was done in a Michael Crichton book and of course on the Planet of the Apes films, you wonder sometimes if these scientists look at the world of fiction and think 'oh that is a good idea!!'
Stirks, human manipulation is not really anything new, you can look up Stalins secret army, or look up German human experiments. I mist however warn you some of the images are really upsetting.

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Post by Lenzabi on Mon Dec 29, 2014 11:25 am

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I am also aware of Ivanov's experiments too. Humans and Chimps have moved too far apart now to be able to hybridise but still share the same basic genes.

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Hence why Stalin died with his super-soldier Human-Ape hybrids never realized. He also likely learned by WWII what the right motivation amongst his people could accomplish as they went from backpedaling then crushing the Nazi war-machine before them!

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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Mon Dec 29, 2014 10:56 pm

This is what we get in a godless society.

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Post by Rockhopper on Tue Dec 30, 2014 3:01 am

@Lenzabi wrote:

Hence why Stalin died with his super-soldier Human-Ape hybrids never realized. He also likely learned by WWII what the right motivation amongst his people could accomplish as they went from backpedaling then crushing the Nazi war-machine before them!

Yep Len. Russia has done this for centuries. It has so much territory and they use it to their advantage. Stop and fight then suddenly withdraw and destroy everything behind them. The invading army has nothing to live on and needs very long supply lines. Eventually the invaders can't get sufficient supplies to carry on fighting.

The Brits did the same in nth Africa. Strike and withdraw across the desert, stop, fight and withdraw again. That exposed Rommel's supply lines to attacks by the Brits. Then stopped at al Allamein (god's garden!) and Rommel was defeated there.

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Post by Agartha on Tue Dec 30, 2014 5:06 am

Ω wrote:This is what we get in a godless society.  

Godless society? Oh please, religion has been the cause for wars, genocide and injustice for millions of years. Look at what religion is still doing nowadays. Not believing in a deity has nothing to do with the state of the world today.
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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Tue Dec 30, 2014 5:45 am

@Agartha wrote:
Ω wrote:This is what we get in a godless society.  

Godless society? Oh please, religion has been the cause for wars, genocide and injustice for millions of years. Look at what religion is still doing nowadays. Not believing in a deity has nothing to do with the state of the world today.

Nothing to do with religion or a deity dear.

Again...........

O Egypt, Egypt, of thy religion nothing will remain but an empty tale, which thine own children in time to come will not believe; nothing will be left but graven words, and only the stones will tell of thy piety. And in that day men will be weary of life, and they will cease to think the universe worthy of reverent wonder and of worship. And so religion, the greatest of all blessings, for there is nothing, nor has been, nor ever shall be, that can be deemed a greater boon, will be threatened with destruction; men will think it a burden, and will come to scorn it. They will no longer love this world around us, this incomparable work of God, this glorious structure which he has built, this sum of good made up of things of many diverse forms, this instrument whereby the will of God operates in that which be has made, ungrudgingly favouring man’s welfare, this combination and accumulation of all the manifold things that can call forth the veneration, praise, and love of the beholder.

Darkness will be preferred to light, and death will be thought more profitable than life; no one will raise his eyes to heaven ; the pious will be deemed insane, and the impious wise; the madman will be thought a brave man, and the wicked will be esteemed as good. As to the soul, and the belief that it is immortal by nature, or may hope to attain to immortality, as I have taught you, all this they will mock at, and will even persuade themselves that it is false. No word of reverence or piety, no utterance worthy of heaven and of the gods of heaven, will be heard or believed.

And so the gods will depart from mankind, a grievous thing!, and only evil angels will remain, who will mingle with men, and drive the poor wretches by main force into all manner of reckless crime, into wars, and robberies, and frauds, and all things hostile to the nature of the soul. Then will the earth no longer stand unshaken, and the sea will bear no ships; heaven will not support the stars in their orbits, nor will the stars pursue their constant course in heaven; all voices of the gods will of necessity be silenced and dumb; the fruits of the earth will rot; the soil will turn barren, and the very air will sicken in sullen stagnation. After this manner will old age come upon the world. Religion will be no more; all things will be disordered and awry; all good will disappear.

But when all this has befallen, Asclepius, then the Master and Father, God, the first before all, the maker of that god who first came into being, will look on that which has come to pass, and will stay the disorder by the counterworking of his will, which is the good. He will call back to the right path those who have gone astray; he will cleanse the world from evil, now washing it away with water-floods, now burning it out with fiercest fire, or again expelling it by war and pestilence. And thus he will bring back his world to its former aspect, so that the Kosmos will once more be deemed worthy of worship and wondering reverence, and God, the maker and restorer of the mighty fabric, will be adored by the men of that day with unceasing hymns of praise and blessing.

Such is the new birth of the Kosmos; it is a making again of all things good, a holy and awe-striking restoration of all nature; and it is wrought in the process of time by the eternal will of God. For Gods will has no beginning; it is ever the same, and as it now is, even so it has ever been, without beginning. For it is the very being of God to purpose good.



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Post by Rockhopper on Tue Dec 30, 2014 8:19 am

Ω wrote:


Nothing to do with religion or a deity dear.
I would like to read your view of that comment in your own words -- not endless copy and pastes!

So the Crusades had nothing to do with religion?

Charlemaigne of France forcing everyone to become Catholic?

Phillip I Spain the same?

Holstedt and his Teuton Knights also forcing the Poles and the eastern Baltic people to do the same?

The on-going fight between the Shia and the Sunni Muslims?

The very peaceful place called Northern Ireland?

None of the above had anything to do with religion and warfare?

Your own comments would be most enlightening!

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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Tue Dec 30, 2014 9:49 am

It's a word that cannot be spoken...

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Post by Rockhopper on Tue Dec 30, 2014 10:46 am

Ω wrote:It's a word that cannot be spoken...
So therefore it doesn't exist VM/Omega. There is no word that can't be spoken! 

Anyway what does that have to do with your statement of a "Godless Society"? And the question of how religion was/is not violent? That comment makes no sense.

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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Tue Dec 30, 2014 11:17 pm

Since when should religion be benevolent, is that what you where taught in Sunday school. Throw away the childish ideas, your a 70 year old man!

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Post by Rockhopper on Wed Dec 31, 2014 3:15 am

You were the one who stated that we had a godless society implying that it was perfect when societies weren't "Godless" and I asked why you responded "It's a word that can not be spoken".

Now, if it is a word that can not be spoken then it doesn't exist, Ye-of-Many-Names. Words are a cluster of sounds that impart a meaning to others.

All religions are violent, some more than others. 

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Post by Agartha on Wed Dec 31, 2014 4:25 am

I think VM has left us again.
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Post by Rockhopper on Thu Jan 01, 2015 4:40 am

Apparently so Ags. He'll be back I'll wager!

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Post by Stirky on Thu Jan 01, 2015 5:15 am

Yep he will at some point
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Post by Stargate on Fri Jan 09, 2015 7:41 pm

I hope he comes back because he does provide opposing views which is very good for interesting conversations.

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Post by Lenzabi on Sat Jan 10, 2015 12:18 am

Opposing views, yes, insults and personal attacks are not welcome.

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Post by Stargate on Sat Jan 10, 2015 12:29 am

@Lenzabi wrote:Opposing views, yes, insults and personal attacks are not welcome.
I agree Len, if there is no respect, there is no fun in conversation, I hope we can do better in the future.

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Post by Rockhopper on Sat Jan 10, 2015 5:01 am

Generally speaking when some-one resorts to personal attacks they have lost the debate and want to close the conversation down.

Incidentally, the rooster was delicious!  Smile

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Post by Lenzabi on Sat Jan 10, 2015 5:02 am

As I recall, Rooster instead of chicken is capon, and considered differently delicious!

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Post by Stirky on Sat Jan 10, 2015 6:16 am

glad you enjoyed the rooster lol!
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