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Post by Rogue on Fri Feb 13, 2015 9:27 am


@Agartha wrote:Not everybody wants or has to have kids
I agree Ags...

Pope Francis: 'Not To Have Children Is A Selfish Choice'
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/12/pope-francis-children_n_6671464.html

Sorry maybe a little off topic...
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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Fri Feb 13, 2015 9:54 am

10 Years To Save The Planet?  drunken

You all give humans credit beyond their capabilities.

'We' aren't going to 'save' anything.

We ARE NOT gods on this Planet.

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Post by Agartha on Fri Feb 13, 2015 10:09 am

Rogue, I read that yesterday and I just went..... Rolling Eyes . He didn't have any kids! Talk about the kettle calling the pot black! lol


VM, human beings are amazingly resilient beings, with incredible capabilities. You do not need a deity to do this, you only need some people working together (ok, a lot of people, lol)
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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Fri Feb 13, 2015 10:53 am

@Agartha wrote:Rogue, I read that yesterday and I just went..... Rolling Eyes . He didn't have any kids! Talk about the kettle calling the pot black! lol


VM, human beings are amazingly resilient beings, with incredible capabilities. You do not need a deity to do this, you only need some people working together (ok, a lot of people, lol)

You act as if 'we' have control over this Planet.

Let me explain.......... Humans are NOT the most conscious and aware entities on Earth.

You look at other entities as being either less than humans or without conscious and awareness, as in they are just physical objects.


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Post by Lenzabi on Fri Feb 13, 2015 4:45 pm

@Agartha wrote:Not everybody wants or has to have kids, Len, we had a lengthy discussion about this a couple of years ago. Don't forget that a big number of pregnancies happen unplanned... children sometimes comes against all odds, my daughter being one of them.

But going back to 'changing to low carbon in 10 years' it could only be possible if the governments start doing things properly and now, for example they should stop subsidizing fossil fuel completely and just back renewable energy 100%.

Remember the ozone problem? There was a global treaty to stop all those chemicals that were harming the ozone layer and it paid off, it took a 'while' but it paid off. The same could be done about the environment. This gives me hope.

I recall that convo, my dad will have to deal with not having that many grandkids.

But yes, sadly in America the Fossil Fuel corporations have a hammerlock on the politicians and governments, the buggers even gave 250k to each senator/representative willing to pass the unwanted Keystone XL Pipeline, so the corruption is deep and well entrenched, hence I feel that discussions of the subject of lower carbon emissions are mostly that. The corporates will milk dry any and all profit making scams for as long as they feel they can get away with it, so if they end, it will be already past that 10yr mark.

VM, the actions or in-actions of people or both is why things are as bad as they are. Gods? not needed, just stronger actions and firmer resolve of life over profits is needed. Too many are unaware, and the corporates, well like i said, they see no need to switch that fast.

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Post by Rockhopper on Fri Feb 13, 2015 5:13 pm

I agree with all the positive comments here. The prominent point is that we need to stop using the environment as a dumping ground for all our waste.

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Post by Agartha on Fri Feb 13, 2015 5:26 pm

@Rockhopper wrote:I agree with all the positive comments here. The prominent point is that we need to stop using the environment as a dumping ground for all our waste.

Tim.

Yes! And we need to stop throwing it all away. Recycle and reuse, we should go back to that, I remember we used to do it when we were kids. I know people who throw away clothes and socks when they have holes! Charity shops have amazing stuff.

VM, what do you suggest then? That we carry on like we are and change nothing at all?
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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Fri Feb 13, 2015 6:22 pm

I suggest we start understanding our true nature and purpose. That we start understanding our ancient practices, honoring all life, life in being all matter, we are not the masters of this planet.

I know, your bible say's differently....

God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground."
Genesis 1:28

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Post by Lenzabi on Fri Feb 13, 2015 7:52 pm

Corporations need to be NOT in charge, if they truly were people, they rate as Psychopaths according to mental hygiene tests.

People can make a difference as long as they have the will to accomplish goals.

That is why I may sound negative as I observe that corporates are in control over governments, something that was a major mistake to take place decades ago. Never should have been allowed.

we were supposed to be recycling and fixing things back in the 1970s when "built to last" ended, and things were built with "Planned obsolescence" instead, thus the wasteful cycles of buy-use-throw away became worse.

But it is people who can change it, they need to realize that time is running out, and that letting the corporates and their government lackeys use the courts to grind changes at a snails pace is no longer what it used to be, vote the bought ones out of office, stop buying so much and force the corporates to their knees through embargoing their products if they are part of the problem, support the companies trying t help make the good differences. recycle, donate, but less adding to the problems, sadly in my state here they are going about things so backwards.

Humans are not the masters, but they do make a bigger impact than they like to believe, and it is all from adding little things up that trouble started.

Bible? I have not written one, and do not own any other.

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Post by Rockhopper on Fri Feb 13, 2015 8:37 pm

Back in the early 1700's Britain set up a personhood for Corporations for tax purposes only. A Corp. could then be taxed as an individual. That has been distorted in later years.

Businesses only exist to make money for their owners, makes sense really and have no morals other than  that of the direction of the owners. If the owners have no morals then neither does the business. We are little more than consumers of the products that are produced by those businesses and are treated that way.

All living things have a right to live but for us to live something else must die be that a plant or an animal. Natural order does not give us the right to destroy the environment and kill off other organisms. Put simply -- we make the mess -- we clean it up!

Just because we, as humans, have the power to change things for the worse doesn't mean that we can't change things for the better. And it's now high time we took responsibility for the damage we are causing and clean it up.

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Post by Lenzabi on Fri Feb 13, 2015 9:45 pm

@Rockhopper wrote:Back in the early 1700's Britain set up a personhood for Corporations for tax purposes only. A Corp. could then be taxed as an individual. That has been distorted in later years.

Businesses only exist to make money for their owners, makes sense really and have no morals other than  that of the direction of the owners. If the owners have no morals then neither does the business. We are little more than consumers of the products that are produced by those businesses and are treated that way.

All living things have a right to live but for us to live something else must die be that a plant or an animal. Natural order does not give us the right to destroy the environment and kill off other organisms. Put simply -- we make the mess -- we clean it up!

Just because we, as humans, have the power to change things for the worse doesn't mean that we can't change things for the better. And it's now high time we took responsibility for the damage we are causing and clean it up.

Tim.


Here here! I agree with this! and it can be done.

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Post by Rockhopper on Sat Feb 14, 2015 2:22 am

Hawaii has become the collection point for marine rubbish!

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Post by Agartha on Sat Feb 14, 2015 4:43 am

▓ wrote:I suggest we start understanding our true nature and purpose. That we start understanding our ancient practices, honoring all life, life in being all matter, we are not the masters of this planet.

I absolutely agree, and the only way you can honour all those beings (flora and fauna) is by getting up your bottom and doing something to clean up this planet, to save us and them. Spiritualism is highly important to me, but thoughts and words without actions are not better than what the politicians do. I love the way it feels when people gather together to pray, I have experienced that, it is a wonderful world changing feeling..... BUT activism is the way to go. Environmental activists are the ones that have been saving animals and forests, not chanting monks.

Rock, I absolutely agree! And most importantly, besides cleaning up the mess: do not litter!!
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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Sat Feb 14, 2015 9:29 am

Environmental activists are the ones that have been saving animals and forests, not chanting monks.

You do not know this, only your perception.

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Post by Rockhopper on Sat Feb 14, 2015 4:01 pm

The planet is adjusting to the changes now, we call that Global Warming. We are forcing it to adjust to the ever increasing levels of Carbon we are putting into the environment, the excess Carbon that was stored in the earth for millions of years. The excess Carbon is acidifying the oceans and the coral reefs are dying. Those reefs are the breeding grounds of fish, so the fish are dying off. Shellfish can't develop shells in acidic water so they die off and the situation gets worse and worse. Not only are we humans tipping the balance but the environment is tipping the balance against us.

The planet will reach an equilibrium again but we won't be around to enjoy it. It takes millions of years to reach that state again. Have you ever noticed how the atmosphere seems oppressive then there is a thunderstorm or 6 and after the storm(s) have passed everything quietens down and is calm again. That is the climate balancing itself out. The greater the in-balance -- the greater the storm to bring it back into balance. So, as the climate warms were are going to get ever more violent storms. Economically those storms are very costly because of the damage that they do.

Some parts of the world will get a big freeze and other parts will suffer huge droughts, some parts will get floods of biblical proportions, all of which are very costly both to lives and property.

We humans are wired to react to immediate danger not to something that will happen in the future so we just bury our heads and say it doesn't matter. Some-one else will fix it up. We all want our children and grandchildren to have a better world yet we are poisoning the very world they will inherit.

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Post by Lenzabi on Sat Feb 14, 2015 4:30 pm

@Rockhopper wrote:The planet is adjusting to the changes now, we call that Global Warming. We are forcing it to adjust to the ever increasing levels of Carbon we are putting into the environment, the excess Carbon that was stored in the earth for millions of years. The excess Carbon is acidifying the oceans and the coral reefs are dying. Those reefs are the breeding grounds of fish, so the fish are dying off. Shellfish can't develop shells in acidic water so they die off and the situation gets worse and worse. Not only are we humans tipping the balance but the environment is tipping the balance against us.

The planet will reach an equilibrium again but we won't be around to enjoy it. It takes millions of years to reach that state again. Have you ever noticed how the atmosphere seems oppressive then there is a thunderstorm or 6 and after the storm(s) have passed everything quietens down and is calm again. That is the climate balancing itself out. The greater the in-balance -- the greater the storm to bring it back into balance. So, as the climate warms were are going to get ever more violent storms. Economically those storms are very costly because of the damage that they do.

Some parts of the world will get a big freeze and other parts will suffer huge droughts, some parts will get floods of biblical proportions, all of which are very costly both to lives and property.

We humans are wired to react to immediate danger not to something that will happen in the future so we just bury our heads and say it doesn't matter. Some-one else will fix it up. We all want our children and grandchildren to have a better world yet we are poisoning the very world they will inherit.

Tim.

Yep Tim, the planet will "reset" and things will settle down and be nice once more, but no humans to muck it up as we are basically causing the world to react to us as our bodies would an infection or disease. Humanity over populated and is making too much garbage and waste and like a series of buboes, the planet, like a living organisim is reacting with the fever and chills we call climate change, it is also going anti-bodies on all living things as it is reacting so we see with ocean acidification, die offs of things we do enjoy eating,,,,starve a fever thing right?

Yes, while the politicians pay lip service to a better future for the kids and grandkids, that inability to react to non-immediate dangers leaves the world worse off for them to deal with and curse their parents and grand parents for dooming them to a life in a cesspool that they made.

Recycling is one way common folks can and do try and make a difference, all of us here should do so.
buying only products made by responsible companies(yes they do exist) and boycott the irresponsible ones will shift them to responsibility via our wallets.


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Post by Agartha on Sat Feb 14, 2015 5:29 pm

▓ wrote:
You do not know this, only your perception.

OMG! That monk is a horrible selfish man!
These are some of his words:

The universe is very much out of our control. No hope. Purify yourself  and forget about changes that are futile. We should never put others before ourselves.
"to put it into context the earth is going to fly into the sun and be burnt to a crisp' so there is no hope.

So we should have left Mandela rot in jail and never tried to stop Apartheid?
White people should have never helped Rosa Spark end segregation and racism?
Men should have never helped women get the right to vote and be equal?
Europe and the US should have never stopped the genocide of Muslims in Kosovo?
What if I see somebody being abused in a nursing home? Should I keep quiet cause I should never endanger my life to save somebody's else?

You cannot purify yourself if you are selfish and this monk is very selfish. Spiritualism is great and we need more of this in the world, we do need a spiritual revolution, but sitting in a jungle meditating all day is not the solution. The solution is to work together, to make little changes together, that's the only way to do it.

We have created this mess, all these pollution and we have the responsibility to clean it up.
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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Sat Feb 14, 2015 5:42 pm

The White Race created this mess, it's the Anglo Saxons, they are the ones to blame...

The two-hearts.

Those who control the Seas, control the World!


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They finally threw out the bums in India......

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Post by Rockhopper on Sat Feb 14, 2015 9:03 pm

And now we have the American Empire with it's bombs and missiles that kill anyone around. 

They finally threw the bums out of Vietnam......

I am reminded of the birds that crap in their own nests. It get so bad that they must move on and build a new nest so the cycle repeats itself. The problem we humans have is we are running out of places where we can build new nests and the crap is catching up with us.

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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Mon Feb 16, 2015 1:49 pm

No, it's the British-Israel-World Federation...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British-Israel-World_Federation

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