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Post by Rockhopper on Tue Jul 14, 2015 2:56 am

Massive majorities back Bernie Sanders on the issues — and disdain Donald Trump!

Donald Trump is throwing the GOP primary into chaos by channeling the GOP’s id, spinning out wild fantasies of the Mexican government deliberately sending a flood of rapists and murderers across the border. But Bernie Sanders is disrupting Hillary Clinton’s coronation on the Democratic side by channeling the party’s soul, with a specifically issue-based focus.

In a way, both men are vividly illustrating a basic asymmetry that runs through American politics—between left and right, liberal and conservative, Democrat and Republican—which was first comprehensively described by public opinion researchers Lloyd Free and Hadley Cantril in their landmark 1967 book, “The Political Beliefs of Americans: A Study of Public Opinion,” and which political scientist Matt Grossman discussed in a recent Salon interview. Free and Cantril found that half the population was ideologically conservative, in the sense of preferring a smaller, more limited government, while about two-thirds was operationally liberal, in the sense of wanting to spend more on specifically identified government programs.

Subsequent research has intensified this division. Conservatives win by making broad, sweeping appeals, which can often have little relationship with the facts (Iraq’s WMDs, “voter fraud,” global warming denialism, etc.). Liberals win by focusing on how to fix specific problems. Thus “government spending” in general is seen as a negative, but spending on most specific programs is strongly supported. The pattern is clear: The more practical the question, the more liberal the answers. That’s just how U.S. politics works.

Trump takes the conservative side of this formula to an extreme, making broad, ludicrous false claims in his narcissistically self-confident manner. What’s grabbing headlines now are his false claims about illegal immigrant crime, but he remains completely detached from reality regarding Obama’s citizenship as well—an act of broad stigmatization that also typifies conservative thought. When NBC’s Katy Tur brought up his birtherism, Trump treated her with disdain: “Well, I don’t know. According to you it’s not true.” When she responded straightforwardly, “He released his birth certificate,” Trump doubled down on the disdain, “You know, if you believe that, that’s fine. I don’t care. It’s an old subject.”

From here.


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Post by Lenzabi on Tue Jul 14, 2015 4:29 am

Well, to be honest, it seems that there will be quite the worry as so many news outlets are trying to downplay sanders, despite that mo9st of his appeal is that we need a large shift left, we are far too right shifted, and have been for over 40yrs. Many seem this gross out of control Capitalism as the monster it is. Bernie and a running mate become Pres/VP and we get a progressive congress/senate in 2016, that will have the Faux news types screaming from their windows!

It is time to reduce the power and control of Oligarchies and Corporatists and spend the money on America and it's people, not wars that make us look like thugs and barbarians to our allies, and actually spend enough to defend ourselves, not pay for Imperial conquests for those corporate interests hiding it all under the guise of "Freedumb"

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Post by Rockhopper on Tue Jul 14, 2015 5:58 am

Yeah Len. You have a long ways to go before that happens in my view.

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Post by Lenzabi on Tue Jul 14, 2015 6:19 am

@Rockhopper wrote:Yeah Len. You have a long ways to go before that happens in my view.

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True Tim, but one can only hope that we can have a less corporate dominated nation, sadly they have been entrenched for over a century

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Post by Stargate on Sun Aug 02, 2015 10:34 am

@Rockhopper wrote:Yeah Len. You have a long ways to go before that happens in my view.

Tim.

I surely agree with Leny, however I also agree with Tim because it is wishful thinking. What can we do, we have to start somewhere.

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Post by Lenzabi on Sun Aug 02, 2015 1:07 pm

The wealthy, the large corporations had their fascist coup, they would have done so in 1935, but that got the whistle blown by the general they wanted to lead the coup for them. They adapted also in Germany when they backed Hitler, they have backed fascists in other parts of the world, people are finally seeing what it is leading this country to. We are ready for at least enough "Socialism" to swing us back away from the "right" before we crash and burn, but it still is pointless w/o a progressive coup in the branches of the Executive/Legislative/judiciary to get more seats warmed by Progressives in them, and remove the Tea-Party-wackos and other seriously pro-corporate/pro-austerity types .

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Post by Stargate on Sun Aug 02, 2015 1:26 pm

@Lenzabi wrote:The wealthy, the large corporations had their fascist coup, they would have done so in 1935, but that got the whistle blown by the general they wanted to lead the coup for them. They adapted also in Germany when they backed Hitler, they have backed fascists in other parts of the world, people are finally seeing what it is leading this country to. We are ready for at least enough "Socialism" to swing us back away from the "right" before we crash and burn, but it still is pointless w/o a progressive coup in the branches of the Executive/Legislative/judiciary to get more seats warmed by Progressives in them, and remove the Tea-Party-wackos and other seriously pro-corporate/pro-austerity types .

You do have righteous dreams Leny, however they are realistic dreams of how it could be, and work. Unlike you I am not stopping my breath, because I cannot see earth changing without an almost total breakdown/buildup. We are dealing with sick human irrational minds, the problem is there are too many people believing in them.

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Post by Lenzabi on Sun Aug 02, 2015 1:58 pm

@Stargate wrote:
@Lenzabi wrote:The wealthy, the large corporations had their fascist coup, they would have done so in 1935, but that got the whistle blown by the general they wanted to lead the coup for them. They adapted also in Germany when they backed Hitler, they have backed fascists in other parts of the world, people are finally seeing what it is leading this country to. We are ready for at least enough "Socialism" to swing us back away from the "right" before we crash and burn, but it still is pointless w/o a progressive coup in the branches of the Executive/Legislative/judiciary to get more seats warmed by Progressives in them, and remove the Tea-Party-wackos and other seriously pro-corporate/pro-austerity types .

You do have righteous dreams Leny, however they are realistic dreams of how it could be, and work. Unlike you I am not stopping my breath, because I cannot see earth changing without an almost total breakdown/buildup. We are dealing with sick human irrational minds, the problem is there are too many people believing in them.

Well, I do find myself much of the time an "outsider" as I had tried to explain at this meat shells' age of 6yrs old to some fool in the Elementary school psychiatrist, I am an observer, I am spiritually and mentally not human, only physically. I have been watching, recording, and making notes about Humans and their irrational behavior and beliefs. That they could so foul and destroy their own bio-sphere as they have been doing for so long, and my 51yrs here has seen many changes, is beyond belief of any rationally sane being.

Humans must stay and die here when it all goes, they cannot spread out to space as they will pollute and destroy all worlds they touch. I am sad that I have had to report that, but it is showing to be so true, and this is sad as they have no signs of stopping this behavior, and the window of opportunity to stop or reverse this is nearly closed.

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Post by Stargate on Sun Aug 02, 2015 2:17 pm

You said it, humans are searching to find a planet with life forms as we know them on earth. They search the expand of space to justify their presents on the planet. I do not think it has crossed their minds what it is they have to offer any other being form our galaxy or world. I can tell you Len, if I did not live on this planet and knew earth people from where I was, I would resist meeting them as they now are. We do have people like you on the planet but I am sorry you cannon break the cycle, at least not now. The knowledge level of how the planet works is appalling and backward, and no one to stop it.

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