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Post by Stargate on Thu Oct 01, 2015 6:57 pm

Something serious seems to be building up in the Syrian conflict that could be potentially the thrust into world conflict. Although I know the Russians are not only doing this for Syria, they seen to have a better solution to the refugee crisis than anyone else. This is a very useful political move, for now, but I think it will resonate around the world that America or NATO, are not capable of stopping the war or want to.




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Post by Lenzabi on Fri Oct 02, 2015 3:13 pm

Russia does not play with kid gloves.

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Post by Stargate on Fri Oct 02, 2015 3:15 pm

I guess they are afraid to loose billions as they did in Libya.

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Post by Mordae on Mon Oct 05, 2015 2:42 am

@Stargate wrote:Something serious seems to be building up in the Syrian conflict that could be potentially the thrust into world conflict. Although I know the Russians are not only doing this for Syria, they seen to have a better solution to the refugee crisis than anyone else. This is a very useful political move, for now, but I think it will resonate around the world that America or NATO, are not capable of stopping the war or want to.

Its an interesting situation...there are plenty of articles floating around claiming that Russia has seriously damaged ISIL within the three days or so that they have been making strikes. If this can be verified, it kinda opens a whole load of questions as to what the US and friends have been up to over the past year or so.

However logically speaking, if your arming and supporting an organization (in this case ISIL and other "moderate" rebels) while attempting to weaken another (the legitimate government), your bombs probably won't fall on the group you support.
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Post by Rockhopper on Mon Oct 05, 2015 4:10 am

Got it in a nutshell Mordles. Russia whacks ISIL and knocks off several of the top brass, scatters the minions hither and yon whilst the US bombs hospitals!

Yanx are in a quandary there, ISIL is supported by the Saudis and the US doesn't want to get offside of them. The US wants a regime change in Syria and nothing else will do. So by dithering around, nothing changes and Russia has a focus, they haven't.

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Post by Kaere on Mon Oct 05, 2015 5:39 am

I think Russia is looking to make a 'tactical error' and engage US forces, looking for a war.
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Post by Stirky on Mon Oct 05, 2015 7:34 am

The whole Syria thing has stunk for a long time, the media feeding us with different stories and points of view (that have changed over time), it has all been planned out. But now Russia stepping in has changed these plans, and I think it now could get very dangerous for the whole world. I can't see anything good coming out of this situation. Enough people have already died and lost their homes. But I think sadly that situation will just escalate Sad I hate our governments sometimes!
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Post by Stargate on Mon Oct 05, 2015 11:22 am

Got it in a nutshell Mordles. Russia whacks ISIL and knocks off several of the top brass, scatters the minions hither and yon whilst the US bombs hospitals!

I like the way you put it Tim, short and sweet.

I think Russia is looking to make a 'tactical error' and engage US forces, looking for a war.
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Above is what Kaere said, I kind of agree that it is America looking for a war and Putin is testing the strength of words.


I also think Russia is the real deal here. No matter what the world want to say about Putin, he is clearer, direct, consistent, and decisive. I notice even the bully on the block Israel, is saying Putin made his intentions known to the whole region. 


I also go with Stirks about the Syria debacle has been going on for a long time, some one has to do something. NATO hoped the refugees crisis would give the US and allies a reason to get Assad, and kill him as they did the Libyan leader Gaddafi. The Russians do not trust the US because they told him they would not kill Gaddafi, and they did. He Putin invested a lot of money in Libya as he has in Syria.  
The danger we now face is will Putin expose the US by destroying the rebels the US trained to overthrow Assad.  

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Post by Rockhopper on Mon Oct 05, 2015 12:57 pm

I can see nothing good coming out of this rumble. The Yanx want war and going by history, they will lose. Russia is flexing it's muscles too. They have been a supporter of Assad all along.

The Yanx wanting Assad to be outed should be put on hold for now and sort out what is happening on the ground.

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Post by Kaere on Mon Oct 05, 2015 1:05 pm

@Stargate wrote:Above is what Kaere said, I kind of agree that it is America looking for a war and Putin is testing the strength of words.

Just to be clear, I said that Russia is looking for a war.
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Post by Lenzabi on Mon Oct 05, 2015 5:36 pm

While they play up the whole AQ and now ISIL in our news, I have recognized these so called bogeymen for what they are,,,,and excuse to let the M.I.C. stay feeding at the US Tax trough for longer and for as much as they want.

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Post by Rockhopper on Mon Oct 05, 2015 5:47 pm

Which explains why you are involved in endless wars Len.

Very Orwellian!

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Post by Mordae on Mon Oct 05, 2015 8:12 pm

@Kaere wrote:
@Stargate wrote:Above is what Kaere said, I kind of agree that it is America looking for a war and Putin is testing the strength of words.

Just to be clear, I said that Russia is looking for a war.

TBH Kaere, I think if that was the case they would have been more heavily involved earlier. My feeling is that Russia (and China as well) are sending a not-so-subtle message to the US and friends that enough is enough. Hopefully they listen.
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Post by Rockhopper on Mon Oct 05, 2015 9:09 pm

The snake in the woodpile here is the Saudis (Sunni). They are financing ISIL and even arming them. The US supplies the Saudis with a shiny new weapon and within weeks it's in the hands of ISIL. The Saudis have been the cause of most of the issues since 'way back.

Yanx had to do a deal with Iran (Shia) because they needed Iran to deal with ISIL. So they had to relieve the pressure on Iran.

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Post by Stargate on Tue Oct 06, 2015 10:36 am

Sorry Kaere, I got it the wrong way round, however I stick to my statement, America needs a diversion.


Tim, I see the meat of the Syrian problem in Saudi Arabia. They hate Iran with more than the ordinary passion. If anyone asked me what country is the most corrupt, my first answer would be Saudi Arabia. Israel has managed to infect the Saudis with the hate virus.
Did you hear about the Russian fighter jet going into Turkey's air space? The Turks are warning the Russians to stay out of their air space. Turkey has backed itself in a corner with the attack on the Kurd's. I think we are playing with too much fire.

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Post by Rockhopper on Tue Oct 06, 2015 11:44 am

Yup Star. It's a sectarian war between the Shia and the Sunni. The Saudis are any bit as bad as ISIL too.

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Post by Mordae on Wed Oct 07, 2015 12:46 am

True dat Tim...there appears to be a formula...Saudi funded mosques teaching Wahhabism, Extremist Islamic group formation and US manipulation. Remove any of these three and the world appears to get on a lot better.
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Post by Rockhopper on Wed Oct 07, 2015 3:34 am

Len raised an interesting point as well. Endless wars!

I have often wondered why the Yanx start a war without any exit strategy and that would explain why it is.

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Post by Stargate on Wed Oct 07, 2015 1:08 pm

@Mordae wrote:True dat Tim...there appears to be a formula...Saudi funded mosques teaching Wahhabism, Extremist Islamic group formation and US manipulation.  Remove any of these three and the world appears to get on a lot better.
That seems to me to be very technical, it is not always possible to reverse anything once it's created. There is a tie up or love affair between Saudi Arabia and Israel because they share a common enemy, Iran..

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Post by Mordae on Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:17 am

I agree totally Stargate...however logic doesn't really appear to be a major fixture in US Foreign Policy. Every modern Islamic extremist group I've looked at would appear to have the same three factors.

Good point re the relationship between Israel and Saudi Arabia though...If I remember right, there is an oil pipeline running through ISIL territory into Israel that hasn't been touched at all. Coincidence?

@Tim ~ The endless war scenario makes a lot of sense if your economy is powered by a Military Industrial Complex.
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