Re: Are Russia, U.S. on the Same Page in Syria?

[Rockhopper]

Yeah Mordles the US/UK economy is MIC.

The Saudis are financing and arming ISIL and it's curious that whenever the Saudis get a shiny techno-weapon from the Yanx it appears in the hands of ISIL!

Tim.

[Lenzabi]

And as Russia is not having any part of the US MIC, he smashed the bogeymen a bit, I expect once the ISIL< is heaped atop Al Queda as the bogus bad guys (Well, they have committed some heinous acts as a bunch), but there was no chance that a group trying to carve a nation out of two others is likely to have attacked us here. I figure some old bogeyman like the Taliban, or a new minted one will pop up so the MIC can maintain their place at the tax-feed trough.

[Stargate]

They say you can't read a book by it's cover, it proves true in present circumstances. We have reached a place at the moment where money alone cannot dictate things. Some parts of this mess has taken on lives of it's own. There are also parts of the political structure that is breaking apart and cannot be solved with the present intellectual critical thinking.
The so called neo-idealist have been processed, and are seeking to fulfill the obligatory secret orders of the choosen few. 


Some of the problems we have on the planet cannot be solved with traditional education. We have learnt to be consumers, we think in terms of loss and gain all the time. The universal moral compass has been damaged by greed and deceit. We stand now at each other doorsteps and are threatening to destroy,not only each other but the entire world.

[Rockhopper]

I tend to agree with Putin on this. The US and Russia should be fighting together against a common enemy not arguing the point with each other. Vlad has also polnted out that Assad s not the problem right now, ISIL is. Bam's attitude that 'Assad must go" is irrelevant right now. A combined effort by both the US and Russia would wipe out ISIL in very short order.

Russia has shown that ISIL won't stand and fight when they are hit hard, they break and run. Just recently the Russians bombed and killed several of their top commanders and the 600 or more fighters dropped their weapons and ran away. I think that ISIL will dissolve away under a concerted attack for all fronts.

Tim.

[Stargate]

I could not agree more Tim, we already agreed that ISIL is not the problem. The US could demolish ISIL in a week if it was necessary. Now that Putin is on the job the US and it's allies are fearing that Putin is taking popularity and power away from them, plus it's not as easy to get rid of Assad. The game is a dangerous one, therefore we should be on the watch for something big to move our attention away from the glaring advance of Putin.  

[Mordae]

I tend to agree with Putin on this. The US and Russia should be fighting together against a common enemy not arguing the point with each other. Vlad has also polnted out that Assad s not the problem right now, ISIL is. Bam's attitude that 'Assad must go" is irrelevant right now. A combined effort by both the US and Russia would wipe out ISIL in very short order.

Russia has shown that ISIL won't stand and fight when they are hit hard, they break and run. Just recently the Russians bombed and killed several of their top commanders and the 600 or more fighters dropped their weapons and ran away. I think that ISIL will dissolve away under a concerted attack for all fronts.

Tim.

Quite right Tim. Interesting bit of news on RT early this morning was that the US is dropping its $500 Million plan to arm and train "moderate rebels", which has so far managed to field all of 4 or 5 operatives. Of course this is the Pentagons programme, no word on whether or not the CIA will be ceasing theirs

But once again, it does raise the question of what the Coalition has been playing at over the last year.

[Lenzabi]

It is as I said, and this all proves the pattern. ISIL is like AQ a US and Saudi aberration to help keep the MIC in power and devour most of our budget since we are not defending the US but maintaining a Empire and we are repeating the errors of old Rome. We are heading to our very own fall, or worse, a totalitarian US, with possible religious theocracy tossed in, and that should worry all.

[Rockhopper]

That's a scary scene Len! Not at all surprising all the same when we see the calibre of the Rep wannabees.

Hills is part of the problem and none of the solution but Bernie has stirred up the cesspool! Will be interesting to see what floats to the top!

Tim.

[Lenzabi]

Even the MsM are now tarting to see the possibility of Bernie out pacing Hilary, some though still dare not mention Bernie, but instead tout Biden running as a replacement as Hilary is losing her political mojo. But the more savy media are realizing that the establishment dems are just going to have nothing changed, just stay the same.

They see Bernie as the choice of the population more so that Hilary or Joe, the other guys running are not really looking like game changers either. Bernie has been the only one running to
A) sound real
B) has not waffled from his message
C) adapted to some issues that came up, gaining him recognition in minority voting blocks.
D) avoided insults and provocation of other candidates
E) Has had the largest crowds consistently, and even in places where the Dems avoid
F) Has taken no money from Super-Pacs
G) Comes across as the most honest
H) Has raised money and risen in donation gathering from common folks, matching Hilary and the Republicans w/o the Super-Pacs, and has not had to defend himself.

And of course that he is seeking to make so many repairs to a broken nation.

[Stargate]

I agree about the broken nation, I am not sure how effective any candidate can maneuver in the existing political culture. The demos may have a slight advantage in terms of togetherness, but it will be very difficult if they do not adopt a lot of left overs from Obama.

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