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Post by Mordae on Sun Oct 18, 2015 2:37 am

As the general consensus seems to be the the current financial/ corporate/political systems are broken, I thought it might be worth starting up a thread to discuss alternative systems and ways to implement them.


Put this up as a post on an anti-TPPA page, but the more I think about it, the more I like it, so it may be worth a closer look at as an option and possibly expanding on it....It's probably worth noting that you'd need at least a third of the population to get behind this in order to pull it off completely.

If the wikileaks material is correct, then signing the TPPA is an act of treason...handing over sovereign rights to a foreign power etc. It also means that the rest of the party could be liable for a charge of "Conspiracy to treason". As such, if a formal complaint is made/charges filed, the police should have the right to procure evidence, i.e. do the search and seizure on behalf of "the crown". If this doesn't work, maybe this would be a good next step...

If the steps are made public, the police will either be shown to be protecting the government against the people or they will do their job. On many levels, the police can't afford to be labelled as the protectors of the government against the people, it would completely undermine their credibility.

Now imagine if, on a particular day, at a set time, people from throughout the country filed into their local police station to file a formal complaint, especially if it was timed for after a protest... The media would have to pick it up and the police would have to act on it to avoid the public backlash, not to mention the immense paper trail. At the same time, politicians in favor of the agreement would fill their pants simultaneously...its a strong message to send them. This could also be expanded through to a global level with very little tweaking.

The next question is who is a viable alternative to National (the ruling party in NZ). The way I see it, there isn't really anybody.

Winston from NZ First is the most obvious choice, but he has the same issues with transparency that our current PM does.

Labour is a slightly cuddlier version of National.

The Greens have been so transparent they are practically invisible.

The Maori Party haven't really spoken out against the TPPA, which is odd as it would invalidate the Treaty of Waitangi.

ACT and United Future are only there because National let them, so are more or less irrelevant.

Mana and the Internet Party? Maybe, but I think they are still tainted by association with Dotcom.

This would put us in the interesting position of possibly being able to design a new political system. The main issues in the current setup seem to be corruption (which unlike economics, does follow a trickle down system), transparency, and voter participation.

With that in mind, I'd probably go with dissolving Parliment, and handing power back to the Regional Councils (with the exception of the "super-councils" that would be broken up). They would have primary responsibility for Food, Water, Energy, Environment and Waste. Secondary responsibilities would be infrastructure, employment/manufacturing, housing etc (pretty much what they already do.)

Currently the Councils are pretty corrupt as well, so for currency we'd run with the NZ dollar, a local currency (the Bristol Pound is a really good example, although I do demand that Auckland's be called the "Auck Quid") and a digital currency...the digital currency will open up a block-chain that all council business would be made available on (pay-rates, tenders, works, minutes, email, accounts...EVERYTHING). I'd imagine the sound of former civil servants running overseas would be pretty loud at this point.

As you'd still require a modicum of Central Government to function in order to maintain certain infrastructure, I'd set that along the same lines as the old Viking Thing...a conclave of randomly selected council members gets together every couple of month's to discuss any arising matters, which is also live streamed...all decisions have to come back to the general populace for ratification.



I imagine I've probably missed a couple of things, seeing as I'm writing this off the top of my head, however, it seems to me to be the most viable alternative to what we have at present.
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Post by Rockhopper on Sun Oct 18, 2015 4:44 am

You raise some good points Mordles. What you're suggesting is Anarchy where the local communities run their own affairs and negotiate with their neighbouring communities about transport links etc. Each one has their own currency and their own methods on how they are run. Many people think that Anarchy is no Govt. at all but that is not the case. It's local control.

As for the present bunch,I agree, there is no-one who is good enough to take over. We do have good people who would do a good job but they wouldn't go near the place because of all the crap.

This is why Jeremy Corbyn and Bernie Sanders (whose brother is a MP in the UK BTW) are resonating with the ordinary people. It really shows how out-of-touch the pollies are. In our case we have a PM who is a Yank Citizen and a bloody Banker as well. His bosses were the very ones who almost crashed the world economies! And he made his money manipulating currencies including ours. Didn't matter that in doing so he hurt a lot of people. He's got to go and Andy Little the Labour man is just as bad.

Clean out time I feel Mordles.

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Post by Mordae on Sun Oct 18, 2015 3:12 pm

Cheers Tim...and I agree...definitely time for a clean out Very Happy
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Post by Lenzabi on Mon Oct 19, 2015 3:38 pm

Mainstream media is still trying to push the mainstream politicals, attacking Bernie, or hoping Biden will save them if Hils fails

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Post by Rockhopper on Mon Oct 19, 2015 6:00 pm

Not surprising Len when you consider that the MSM is just another Mega-corporation.

Holy Cow!! Ann Coulter says she will vote for Bernie! Shocked Shocked



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Post by Rockhopper on Tue Oct 20, 2015 3:27 pm

And Bruce Simpson has a new version of Democracy;

Recoverable Proxy.

http://aardvark.co.nz/rproxy.shtml

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Post by Mordae on Wed Oct 21, 2015 12:54 am

Now that is a very interesting proposition...I could quite happily go with that Very Happy
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Post by Stargate on Wed Oct 21, 2015 6:29 pm

You know Mordae, reading your ideas and solutions makes me ask myself, if Mordae had all of his idea in place, would it serve all? I don't know, but I don't think so. We have now long past "organised civility", and reached a place where it is time to recognize what is wrong with us and we can't get it together. We try to fix it, because some of us are waking up and realizing we cannot continue this way.


There are fundamental problems on the planet and most of them points to the lack of a social order. This law was created to manage the order of accumulation. When it comes to the life forms we call humans, we are supposed to represent the intelligence of the planet. 
The planet has been fragmented by some force dividing us, rendering our capability to comprehend, even on a baby's level, almost null and void. 


There are somethings that will block a system where other things will not. Looking at what is blocking the system is what is done, when you want to fix it.
There are so many things that does not totally fit the political discussions, and many things does.


I like you will not only point out weaknesses, but make my own suggestions. I think every country should identify them selves and regain sovereignty over their country and land. I think every government body should respect the diversity of their people. I think trade should be based on culture, and all atomic weapons on the planet should be destroyed.


 As I mentioned before, your ideas could work, but I do not think the ground is fertile enough.

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Post by Rockhopper on Thu Oct 22, 2015 2:16 am

Deep thinking there Star and I shall ponder on what you are saying.

Respond later.

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Post by Mordae on Fri Oct 23, 2015 1:51 am

I agree totally Star. The way I see it, sooner, rather than later, enough people are going to get angry enough at the current systems to overthrow them. What I have noticed is that not many alternatives to them have been aired or discussed, which could (and most likely would) lead to a multitude of other problems cropping up, and I don't think any of us would wish to see that.

The more ideas that get thrown out there for people to think about, the better Very Happy
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Post by Rockhopper on Fri Oct 23, 2015 3:09 am

There is a concerted effort to divide and conquer going on. That was one of the reasons that the Occupy Movement fizzled out. The powers-that-be were able to split the groups up and separate them from each other.

I do hope that there will be a quiet transition from what we have now to a better system or there will be a revolution and it will be bloody! Here Andy Little is up against a caucus that is still under control of the Blairite Roger gnomes and until or unless he shunts them out the door or better throws them out of the window (5th floor), nothing will change there.

The Greens here were good under Rod Donald but when he died and Rus Norman took over, he dragged them to the centre where they are lost in the background noise.

My MP here is Amy Adams (Gnat) who is another who has never had to do a good day's work in her miserable life. Straight out of Uni into politics, Another useless parasite!

To sum up everywhere; the lunatics are running the asylum!

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Post by Stargate on Fri Oct 23, 2015 8:26 am

Absolutely Mords.

There is a concerted effort to divide and conquer going on. That was one of the reasons that the Occupy Movement fizzled out. The powers-that-be were able to split the groups up and separate them from each other.
Yea Tim, it was also a fact the Occupy did not have a head or leader. The powers were able to attack and destroy it.
I also agree the lunatics  are on the loose. Lol.Sad

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