Re: ISIL IS WEAK

by Stargate Tue Nov 24, 2015 11:44 am

Stirks, WW11 never ended, there was just a pause.

by Rockhopper Tue Nov 24, 2015 5:05 pm

It's all hypocrisy at it's finest! The Yanx are quick to scream out about the civilian deaths caused by Russian air strikes but they have never ever publicised how many they kill with theirs!

Assad has and is using barrel bombs, very crude weapons that do kill and injure civilians and the Yanx use Cluster bombs which kill and injure far more. And also use white Phosphorus that is far worse.

The CDO (Coalition of Dodgy Opportunists) are itching for a stand-off with Russia.

Tim.

by Stirky Tue Nov 24, 2015 5:32 pm

Yes agree Tim, there are no 'good guys' in war

by Stargate Tue Nov 24, 2015 7:15 pm

You know Tim, I have this feeling that this change we are going through, is really not about any of the things we talk about. I think it is far deeper than most minds can comprehend. The destruction far surpasses the ability of the mind to rationalize what these terrible sick minds have created.

by Lenzabi Tue Nov 24, 2015 7:36 pm

Amazing how some are passing the test and advancing to the next tier or grade and other are graduating, but also there are those who are not passing, but failing, and then there are those who decided to totally rush towards failure.

by Agartha Wed Nov 25, 2015 1:51 am

According to Twitter a Russian commander has said that war with Turkey is very likely and people are going crazy twitting 'WWIII has just started'.

by Rockhopper Wed Nov 25, 2015 2:30 am

Apparently the plane was shot down over the no-fly zone Turkey imposed on nth Syria. But no other country recognises it.

What ISIS is:

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

Tim.

by Stirky Wed Nov 25, 2015 5:44 am

Agartha wrote:According to Twitter a Russian commander has said that war with Turkey is very likely and people are going crazy twitting 'WWIII has just started'.

If Russia declares war on Turkey, other countries will have to get involved. Turkey's allies (NATO) will back Turkey, and the Russian allies will step up too. Not going to be pretty!

by Agartha Wed Nov 25, 2015 7:49 am

Russia was on Turkey territory for 17 seconds!

I don't think Nato is going to back Turkey, unless more evidence arises I don't think shooting down a warplane was justified.

I mean, it is well known that Turkey violates Greece's airspace all the time... we don't see Greece shooting down their jets!

by Rogue Wed Nov 25, 2015 8:00 am

Agartha wrote:

... I don't think shooting down a warplane was justified.

Shooting down the plane is one thing but then to shoot and kill the parachuting pilots was just dreadful. If that is true it makes them no better than IS.

by Agartha Wed Nov 25, 2015 10:11 am

I agree, Rogue...... I am dreading the confirmation of what really happen or Turkish people will end up paying for their president's mistake......

by Kaere Wed Nov 25, 2015 10:37 am

I read a report that diplomatic discussions between Turkey and Russia had been difficult in the days before the plane was shot down and that perhaps it was retaliation for the Russian Ambassador declining to attend further talks at that time. I'll have to look for the article though to make sure I'm not just dreaming it up lol

by Rockhopper Wed Nov 25, 2015 1:04 pm

A fascinating look at the politics of the incident and the region;

Here.

Tim.

by Kaere Wed Nov 25, 2015 2:40 pm

Still haven't found the article I was talking about earlier but here's another one that explains some things as well. It's a more mainstream media view, I do trust CBC.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/turkey-military-plane-russia-1.3332436

by Lenzabi Wed Nov 25, 2015 4:02 pm

More likely, Putin with use this for leverage over Turkey and NATO, because he is that kind of guy.

by Kaere Wed Nov 25, 2015 4:57 pm

I would have to agree with him though... I think Turkey was well out of line along with the Syrian rebels shooting the pilots. Turkey needs dealing with by NATO. I dunno, what would that be? Sanctions or removal from NATO or ??? Is there a historical example of something like this?

by Rockhopper Wed Nov 25, 2015 11:09 pm

Turkey is playing a crafty double game here. They are part of NATO and support the US/UK but they are also supporting the Turkmen rebels who are almost as bad as ISIS.

Turkey is predominately Sunni and wants Assad (Shia) out of the place. The US want him out because he won't jump when he's told to by the Yanx.

Tim.

by Stargate Thu Nov 26, 2015 12:57 pm

I agree with most of what is said here but most of all with Tim. This whole thing is messy and evil. I do not think NATO wants a war just yet, but there are other interests that do. "Israel", Saudi Arabia, I am sorry I do not trust Israel.
Turkey is not liked by the majority of Europeans, but they use Turkey because of their easily changeable morals.
I think Putin is not going to go to war with Turkey because as some of you say Turkey is showing up NATO.

by Rockhopper Thu Nov 26, 2015 1:36 pm

It won't come to a war, there will be some chest-thumping and desk-banging but common sense will prevail.

Tim.

by Stargate Thu Nov 26, 2015 2:24 pm

Eckhart Tolle on the refugee crisis in Europe.

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