Re: Flat Earth The Final Nail in RE coffin

[Stargate]

Evert thing must have a basis in life, which means to me if it goes forward it must go backwards. I am able to realize motion on my super instrument (my body) if I feel it, I feel it, if I do not feel it it is not necessary for me to feel it. If I am spinning with it at the same speed I can notice it if I elevate my self or detach myself from the planet. If the earth is spinning I should be able to take off vertically from the planet and wait to reach another spot on the planet without moving forward, regardless of the speed.

[Rockhopper]

Apparently you are mis-understanding physics Star. If you jump up or elevate yourself you are still travelling at the same speed as the planet is regardless of how high you jump. Unless you jump to the moon, then by the time you came back down the planet would have moved forward in it's spin.

NASA and others use the centrifugal force of the spin to assist rockets taking off. That's why the launching places are near the equator.

Tim.

[Rogue]

If the planet Earth is flat, then what is on the underside?

[Agartha]

How do you know the pictures you have posted are true? If you accept it for gospel then You could very well be right.

If you read my frst reply to you you'll see I said I saw them myself. In the UK and Italy Orion look one way. When I went to Argentina they are upside down, I've seen them myself. We call them the '3 Marias', everybody knows the Orion belt.

That is evidence we can see with our own eyes. The planet is not flat or what I have seen wouldn't be possible.

If the planet Earth is flat, then what is on the underside?

On a website I read there is a body of water.....

And how do we not fall over the edge?

[Rogue]

MH370?

[Stargate]

Let me try aging to explain that what I am saying. Some are making claim, the earth is flat, others are claiming the earth is round and spinning, I am not claiming anything, I am asking questions about what I am understanding.
I do not have enough evidence of either claim, I am queering what does not make sense to me. I really do not understand all of physics, what I understand is what I can prove to myself.

Tim, I really do not understand what you are saying,and to be precise It does not make sense to me. I do not think telling me I do not understand physics is answering my questions.
You claim the atmosphere around the planet is spinning at 1000 miles per hour, so that if I elevated myself from the planer I would be spinning just as if I was on the planet. I have no experience of this, I also have no experience of an aircraft making compensation for the curvature of the planet. My question is how wide is this spinning of the planet, and how can you prove what you have been told is true.

Rogue, your question sounds reasonable to me, since I see for me to answer that, I would have to get off the planet to make sure.

Agy, I have no doubt you are saying what you have experienced, however for me everything is possible, I call it angle of perception. I simply open my mind to what I see and feel and try to find my own answers that works for me. I have been told a lot of stuff in this world, if I did not check it out for myself I think I would be lost like some of the people I live with on the planet.

No one is sure of anything on planet earth, as I have noticed we create what we want to create, which makes it kind of neat because it leaves room for everyone to create for themselves. No one understands everything, although some think they are more intelligent than others. And most important everyone sees life through their own angle of perception. This question has been around for a long time. Some children are growing up believing Christopher Columbus was a good man, simply because they do not know the full story.

[Stargate]

Very interesting.

[Kaere]

Seems to me the experiments in that video have forgotten to factor in 'gravity' at the very least. Too simplistic and incredibly misleading. Not interesting to me, just faulty thinking and faulty science.

[Rockhopper]

Agreed Ka! That is more pseudoscience than for real.

Tim.

[Lenzabi]

Yeah Gravity holds us down vs the centrifugal force that is trying to spin us off. it also means we are as tall as we are due to these opposing forces fighting each other.

If the Earth were flat, the mass of it would be the only force on us, making us squatter.

Plus they are dealing with only localized things that can only be seen as they are locally.

Try drawing lines around your feet so that when you jump, if you stay in the exact precise spot you would land inside the lines. when you jump, you are not going that high, and therefore, you land pretty close to the original launch point. if you landed even half an inch off, it will be due to the slight spin shift. But again, that is a limited, very localized experiment. get on top of the empire state building and you get the curvature of the Earth being high enough to see it, if the Earth were flat as they think, you would be able to see Europe across the Atlantic.

[Stargate]

Seems to me the experiments in that video have forgotten to factor in 'gravity' at the very least. Too simplistic and incredibly misleading. Not interesting to me, just faulty thinking and faulty science.

Do you think they were done in a vacuum.?It looked to me as if they were done under the influence of gravity.

Tim, Why do you say that?

You know Len, I think you have a good idea, its simple and would prove a lot to this controversy.

[Kaere]

Do you think they were done in a vacuum.?It looked to me as if they were done under the influence of gravity.

If one is going to do a scale model experiment, one would have to ensure that the force of gravity acts upon that experiment in the same manner that earth gravitational field acts upon the earth. The scale model would need to be provided with it's own gravitational field. The ones I saw were not provided with their own field. Any gravity in those experiments was the large scale earth's gravity and therefore renders any information gained from the experiment to be useless and false.

[Stargate]

Well K, what you are saying is quite confusing, I thought we were talking about gravity in general. I would not expect things to change if I used a self generated gravity. I would think it would be analogous to earth gravity. I always thought gravity acted upon all object in the same manner.

Let me try to understand you correctly. Are you saying that if the experiment was conducted in a gravity field generated by itself the outcome would be different?

[Kaere]

Yes, I'm saying that the outcome would be different.

[Lenzabi]

our own body made gravity is over ridden by the planetary gravity

[Stargate]

Yes, I'm saying that the outcome would be different.

I am not sure quite yet, but you lost me, Lol. You did not explain what you would expect to happen.

[Kaere]

I am not sure quite yet, but you lost me, Lol. You did not explain what you would expect to happen.

You didn't ask me to do so.

Okay, I think I have a way to explain it. Let's say that the force of gravity is representing by a Christmas light glowing in the centre of the earth and radiating out into space. All the objects on the earth are affected by this light. The light pulls those objects closer to itself. This makes sense to you, I'm sure

If we are going to create a smaller earth to try to demonstrate a scientific principle, for example how centrifugal force would impact objects on a spinning earth, we would have to recreate that smaller earth as an exact replica of the bigger Earth, including the positioning of the gravity "light" at the centre of the smaller earth. If we do not, there is no control to the experiment and the data is flawed because we are not recreating the exact circumstances (this is necessary for demonstrating physics and rules and all that good stuff).

Still with me? That's the first flaw that I found in the video and experiments.

The second thing is that in order for us to really perform a decisive experiment, the experiment would have to take place outside of the range of bigger Earth's gravitational influence. As Lenz so succinctly put it... if we did not do this, the planetary gravity would override it. The objects being used to demonstrate centrifugal force on the small earth would be affected by the bigger earth's light.

In order to have a scientifically sound experiment, the smaller earth must have it's own gravity field (it's own shining Christmas light in it's middle) and it must be outside the influence of bigger Earth's gravity field (Earth's shining Christmas light in it's middle) in order to be able to find comparable results. We can't say "Oh yes this is what happens" if we can't actually recreate the exact circumstances and results.

For another analogy... you cannot dip an empty cup into an ocean and not expect the cup to fill up with water. And you can't bake a cake with all the flour missing and try to convince someone it's just like a regular cake.

This is how I understand it and I can't think of another way to explain what I'm trying to say. Perhaps someone else will have more easily understood language. If I am mistaken in my understanding of scientific principle, please do correct me

[Stargate]

Oh, I think you are doing very well. I will come back to you I am a little busy.

[Stargate]

Well I might agree if the influence on all object within the gravitational pull was not the same, but there has to be a reverse force for anything to work. This reverse force is embedded in the object itself.

The gravitational pull does not work without resistance, we would have to ask what is the resistance or more importantly where is it generated. An object once at rest needs a force greater than itself to be moved. If this was not so then everything would be at rest overpowered by gravity.

I don't believe in gravity as such, unless it is observed as magnetism. I think earth is governed by electro magnetic power. I think we are driven by electricity that generates a magnetic force field. The force that pushes us up is generated by electric power the force that pulls us down is magnetic. I do not know of anything that works going one way. everything that moves interdependently must generate it's own electric energy.
A good example is fire.

[Rockhopper]

Potholer54 explains the reason why sources are so important Star, especially regarding scientific hypotheses.



Tim.

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