Re: Soul Dynamics

[Mordae]

Cool concept Kaere  It sounds very similar to a more spiritual version of the Web of Life philosphy

Does it? I'm going to have to google that... I may have heard of it but I don't recognize the name. Thanks!

Here's a brief description, Kaere.

Web of Life
Living systems are cognitive systems, and living as a process is a process of cognition. To live is to know, and to know is to act meaningfully whether you are an amoeba, a rose, or a dolphin. Organisms are patterns of relationships that close on themselves, resulting in coherence within and openness to their surroundings. As coherent wholes, organisms extend their natures by creating coherent, meaningful worlds from their interactions with one another and the environment.

or in my words, All things are connected, to tug on one strand is to exert pressure on others, (similar to a Butterfly effect).

[Kaere]

Thanks Mordae

Organisms are patterns of relationships that close on themselves

This part in particular, I like that. It made me think of fractals and repeating patterns right away.

[Agartha]

^^ Absolutely and nature is full of that!!

VM has posted the Golden ration (the Fibonacci Ratio) many times.

For some the Fibonacci sequence is proof of intelligent design.
For others it simply shows the physical properties of atoms.

One more mystery........to add to many.......  

[Nami4444]

Okay, here is my personal understanding of soul connections. This doesn't make it true and neither does that statement make it false. None of us knows anything for certain on this side of the 'veil'.

An image I like to use when trying to understand souls and the way they are all interconnected is to imagine chain mail lying flat on a table. You understand chain mail, yes? The way each link is connected yet separate from each other? Okay.

Well, to my mind each individual link represents a soul group. A group of souls at the same level of understanding and experience. These are the souls that are your close friends, lovers, siblings, etc. These are soulmates. These are the ones you incarnate with over and over again, sharing past lives.

Now let's turn to the links that are around your soul group, these are your parents, children, those from a different generation, etc. These are also soulmates, usually very strong soul mates, but not a part of your soul group. Do you follow? You can share past lives with these souls as well but perhaps not as often as with your own soul group.

You can have a soul connection with any soul from any soul group. Before incarnation, we decide on the kinda life we want to 'try out' and play with. We choose parents and a family to be born into that will give us the best chance of experiencing what it is we want to experience, the best opportunity to do what we want to do. For example, I am sure that I wanted a life where I would have the opportunity to deal with abandonment and learn how to be my best in spite of it so I picked an appropriate family. My parents agreed to do this for me, how amazing of them to agree to do something like that. My parents, my mother in particular, was a very strong soulmate and I am very grateful to her. But she is not part of my soul group, she has her own peers.

There are also what I like to call 'red flag' people. These are people we agreed to certain 'arrangements' with you in life. There is something about them that triggers certain feelings in you... her laugh, his bad joke, that thing that makes your heart jump and you just know, y'know? Sometimes there are synchronicities or odd circumstances or just meeting over and over and over again for some reason. The relationship might go somewhere, it might not... but you feel the way you do because you're supposed to pay attention lol. They're little reminders of something you needed to remember, like string around your finger. It's not always good either or meant to be happily ever after.

So now take that chain mail idea and make the links fluid. Understand that no one is trapped in any particular link, there is often moving around but only as far as perhaps one group might be closer to one's level of experience and understanding than another. And there isn't just one layer of links, it's infinitely more complicated than that imo.

That's a start on my ideas and understandings. If I haven't been clear or you want to pick my brain further about what I believe, don't hesitate to ask.

What if the soul is just a human concept made up? What if all this is just a changing perception?
And what if when you let go of all ideas of what you think the nature of the whole is about, cease to create your own ideas about what it all means, what are you left with? If one was to sit and be fully present in silence, what is there in that silent space of just being present?

I am a curious critter who likes asking curious questions...

[Kaere]

What if the soul is just a human concept made up? What if all this is just a changing perception?  
And what if when you let go of all ideas of what you think the nature of the whole is about, cease to create your own ideas about what it all means, what are you left with? If one was to sit and be fully present in silence, what is there in that silent space of just being present?

I am a curious critter who likes asking curious questions...

If it's all just made up, well I guess we'll find out soon enough lol.

What are you left with? Nothing.

I've been in that silent space and there was nothing but the moment and awareness of not being aware. Sortof.

[X]

There has to be something...if not.........im going to kick some angellic ass!

[Nami4444]

What if the soul is just a human concept made up? What if all this is just a changing perception?  
And what if when you let go of all ideas of what you think the nature of the whole is about, cease to create your own ideas about what it all means, what are you left with? If one was to sit and be fully present in silence, what is there in that silent space of just being present?

I am a curious critter who likes asking curious questions...

If it's all just made up, well I guess we'll find out soon enough lol.

What are you left with? Nothing.

I've been in that silent space and there was nothing but the moment and awareness of not being aware. Sortof.

And if your aware of not being aware are you still not aware?

[Nami4444]

There has to be something...if not.........im going to kick some angellic ass!

What are you hoping for?

[Kaere]

And if your aware of not being aware are you still not aware?

It cycles from one to the other, aware to unaware to aware... my feeling of the unaware once I come back to aware is just of a void, the feeling dissipates.

You've been there, how do you experience it?

[Nami4444]

And if your aware of not being aware are you still not aware?

It cycles from one to the other, aware to unaware to aware... my feeling of the unaware once I come back to aware is just of a void, the feeling dissipates.

But if you are aware of being unaware it would mean your always aware even  when your aware your unaware ....do you see what I mean?

You've been there, how do you experience it?

I am leading you there as I write..

[Kaere]

But if you are aware of being unaware it would mean your always aware even  when your aware your unaware ....do you see what I mean?

I'm not aware of it at the time, I'm meaning after the fact.

[Nami4444]

But if you are aware of being unaware it would mean your always aware even  when your aware your unaware ....do you see what I mean?

I'm not aware of it at the time, I'm meaning after the fact.

Ah yes I see.

So delayed awareness of a moment passed.

I guess that is awareness just delayed... 

But still you are aware.

I wonder if we attach ideas to our awareness about the nature of soul and connections?

[Kaere]

Ah yes I see.

So delayed awareness of a moment passed.

I guess that is awareness just delayed... 

But still you are aware.

I wonder if we attach ideas to our awareness about the nature of soul and connections?

If one is always unaware of that moment, does it actually happen/exist? Somewhat akin to if a tree falls in the forest and no one is there, does it make a sound lol...

Yes, we do attach our own ideas and preconceived notions... when something comes to me, my mind has a desire to make it understandable. It's a huge gap to go from spirit to human (and vice versa). We do our best of course but it's only a human perspective imo. There is a lot of animal and instinct involved in any thinking, quite limited by our meat suits.

[Mordae]

What if the soul is just a human concept made up? What if all this is just a changing perception?  
And what if when you let go of all ideas of what you think the nature of the whole is about, cease to create your own ideas about what it all means, what are you left with? If one was to sit and be fully present in silence, what is there in that silent space of just being present?

I am a curious critter who likes asking curious questions...

Almost certainly Nami. My concept of what a soul is has changed somewhat drastically since I was a kid...here's the newer version (it fills in a couple of gaps for me so I'm reasonably happy with it   ).

Basically, every living thing (and some crystals such as quartz) has an electro-magnetic field (which may lend some credence to the Holographic Universe Theory), which is demonstrated by Kirlean photography (I also suspect that is what people who see aura's perceive as well). We also know that at the moment of death, we lose a couple of grams of weight.

Our family practises the Maori tradition of Tangi, where the deceased comes back to the house for a couple of days and the family says it's final goodbyes. What I've noticed is that the people who have had long lives and have a lot of Mana tend to keep their "personality" or "essence of self" in the body for most of that period, whereas with Kellan (my son), after a few hours, the "essence" of what he was had gone and there was only the shell left.

My hypothesis is that whatever leaves us at the time of death (be it the Egyptian Ka or something else - I suspect our spirit) is what powers our personal EM fields. The length of time and how we live strengthens the field and affects the length of time before it dissapates. Which brings us to what makes up our soul.

My theory (such as it is) is that the soul is a combination of spirit, our EM field and the personality we are born with (Kellan was born brain-dead, but even so, there was still an indication of his personality...and he would have been pure mischief )

This may explain the importance the ancients placed on three's (could also cover the whole Karma concept...I'll need to work on that some more), and why it continiously crops up in mythology.


Which could also explain past life experiences...the spirit remembers but the new EM field and personality inhibits the memory until it is released by hypnosis.

...and others will have their own interpretations.

Personally, I'd hazard a guess though, that once you cease to wonder and create ideas about almost any subject, you kinda lose interest in the subject to a degree.

If one is always unaware of that moment, does it actually happen/exist? Somewhat akin to if a tree falls in the forest and no one is there, does it make a sound lol...

Yes, we do attach our own ideas and preconceived notions... when something comes to me, my mind has a desire to make it understandable. It's a huge gap to go from spirit to human (and vice versa). We do our best of course but it's only a human perspective imo. There is a lot of animal and instinct involved in any thinking, quite limited by our meat suits.

   But if a tree falls in a forest there is always something around to hear it...animals, microbes, other trees etc   . In a way it comes back to the question "Can there be Conciousness without Awareness?".

And yes, I agree with the rest (see above).

[Nami4444]

Ah yes I see.

So delayed awareness of a moment passed.

I guess that is awareness just delayed... 

But still you are aware.

I wonder if we attach ideas to our awareness about the nature of soul and connections?

If one is always unaware of that moment, does it actually happen/exist? Somewhat akin to if a tree falls in the forest and no one is there, does it make a sound lol...

Just because you are unaware, awareness is there aware of it somewhere..

Yes, we do attach our own ideas and preconceived notions... when something comes to me, my mind has a desire to make it understandable. It's a huge gap to go from spirit to human (and vice versa). We do our best of course but it's only a human perspective imo. There is a lot of animal and instinct involved in any thinking, quite limited by our meat suits.

So going back to your original inquiry/reflection about the nature of soul and connection. I wonder if the nature of what is, is an ever changing view, perception awareness whatever one takes in the view with...

And yes the human mind wants to clarify sort and make something of everything. Its the human construct, that constructs not only for purpose but for the journey of life/experience itself...

But when you let go of all ideas of what things are, you can take the view it is just what you create it to be in any moment...yet that is always changing..

[Nami4444]

What if the soul is just a human concept made up? What if all this is just a changing perception?  
And what if when you let go of all ideas of what you think the nature of the whole is about, cease to create your own ideas about what it all means, what are you left with? If one was to sit and be fully present in silence, what is there in that silent space of just being present?

I am a curious critter who likes asking curious questions...

Almost certainly Nami.  My concept of what a soul is has changed somewhat drastically since I was a kid...here's the newer version (it fills in a couple of gaps for me so I'm reasonably happy with it   )

I really don't even know what soul is now, having let go of many of my own ideas, from the past nowdays I am not even sure anymore..I know what connection feels like, I know what that means in relation to my own connection, I know what spirit feels like in parts. I suppose now I just enjoy living with what I know and with what I don't know..living with the mystery  

Basically, every living thing (and some crystals such as quartz) has an electro-magnetic field (which may lend some credence to the Holographic Universe Theory), which is demonstrated by Kirlean photography (I also suspect that is what people who see aura's perceive as well). We also know that at the moment of death, we lose a couple of grams of weight

Yes that aspect of being holographic makes sense to me, from my own experiences of what I have sensed through those experiences.

Our family practises the Maori tradition of Tangi, where the deceased comes back to the house for a couple of days and the family says it's final goodbyes. What I've noticed is that the people who have had long lives and have a lot of Mana tend to keep their "personality" or "essence of self" in the body for most of that period, whereas with Kellan (my son), after a few hours, the "essence" of what he was had gone and there was only the shell left.

Ok this makes sense to me also for some reasons but looking into it from another view through my own experiences... What is interesting to me now Mordae is that in the nature of viewing the whole now, I find the individual aspects are all merged as one whole and so anything that comes through my connection now is the whole view of that one person or aspect, even those in spirit. You have kind of opened up something for me to see in this moment solving a lingering question about the nature of sensing and connecting beyond the personality and essence of self with loved ones in spirit and how it all flows in now..I have never heard this mentioned before Mordae thankyou for sharing...it opens up some more reflection for me..

My hypothesis is that whatever leaves us at the time of death (be it the Egyptian Ka or something else - I suspect our spirit) is what powers our personal EM fields. The length of time and how we live strengthens the field and affects the length of time before it dissapates. Which brings us to what makes up our soul.


This I find fascinating and registers somewhere within me..again through experiences of certain spirits I have connected with.

My theory (such as it is) is that the soul is a combination of spirit, our EM field and the personality we are born with (Kellan was born brain-dead, but even so, there was still an indication of his personality...and he would have been pure mischief  )


Aww that I didn't know, thankyou for sharing. To connect to him with this feeling is lovely...a bundle of love and mischief..how long ago did this occur mordae?

This may explain the importance the ancients placed on three's (could also cover the whole Karma concept...I'll need to work on that some more), and why it continiously crops up in mythology.

Yes three seems important  and crops up around death and spirit merging a great deal in my own experiences and space.


Which could also explain past life experiences...the spirit remembers but the new EM field and personality inhibits the memory until it is released by hypnosis.

...and others will have their own interpretations.

Personally, I'd hazard a guess though, that once you cease to wonder and create ideas about almost any subject, you kinda lose interest in the subject to a degree.

Yes wonder and creating, comes in many forms for many things in this life, I guess it pays to continue to be open and explore with that wonder and curiosity life in general.

If one is always unaware of that moment, does it actually happen/exist? Somewhat akin to if a tree falls in the forest and no one is there, does it make a sound lol...

Yes, we do attach our own ideas and preconceived notions... when something comes to me, my mind has a desire to make it understandable. It's a huge gap to go from spirit to human (and vice versa). We do our best of course but it's only a human perspective imo. There is a lot of animal and instinct involved in any thinking, quite limited by our meat suits.

   But if a tree falls in a forest there is always something around to hear it...animals, microbes, other trees etc   .  In a way it comes back to the question "Can there be Conciousness without Awareness?".

And yes, I agree with the rest (see above).

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[Mordae]

I really don't even know what soul is now, having let go of many of my own ideas, from the past nowdays I am not even sure anymore..I know what connection feels like, I know what that means in relation to my own connection, I know what spirit feels like in parts. I suppose now I just enjoy living with what I know and with what I don't know..living with the mystery

I know what you mean, I happen to work nights and musing about stuff like this helps me stay awake...yay, mind-fodder!!   .

Ok this makes sense to me also for some reasons but looking into it from another view through my own experiences... What is interesting to me now Mordae is that in the nature of viewing the whole now, I find the individual aspects are all merged as one whole and so anything that comes through my connection now is the whole view of that one person or aspect, even those in spirit. You have kind of opened up something for me to see in this moment solving a lingering question about the nature of sensing and connecting beyond the personality and essence of self with loved ones in spirit and how it all flows in now..I have never heard this mentioned before Mordae thankyou for sharing...it opens up some more reflection for me..

My pleasure Nami

Aww that I didn't know, thankyou for sharing. To connect to him with this feeling is lovely...a bundle of love and mischief..how long ago did this occur mordae?

It was back in '09.

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