Re: Did Jesus Exist?...

[Rockhopper]

Just to point out, so do Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy   

But in all seriousness, Jesus was (if he existed ) a teacher.  Once the lessons (or story/message) have been learned, you normally don't keep hanging around school, the basic idea is to go out into the world to apply those lessons (which seem to be, for the most part, Know thyself, do no harm, and treat others as you would treat yourself) in RL.  That's where a lot of it seems to have fallen over, to much mooning over the teacher instead of listening to him.

Dribbled a bib full there Mordman. That's my view too. All too often jesus is the cause people use to NOT follow the said teachings and used as an excuse to attack others who disagree.

Tim.

[Monk (in hiding)]

(which seem to be, for the most part, Know thyself, do no harm, and treat others as you would treat yourself)

The Atheist version of the 10 Commandments

1 Do not intentionally harm others.
2 Do not, through inaction, allow others to come to harm.
3 Do not take the possessions of another.
4 Do not act with the purpose of hurting another's feelings.
5 Do not take pleasure in the pain of others, even animals.
6 Do not intimidate or bully others.
7 Do not force others to act against their will.
8 Do not withhold information from others that would affect their choices in your favor.
9 Do not lie or deceive others.
10 Do not take advantage of others under duress.

[Agartha]

I find it really sad that some need commandments to know what's wrong and what's right...... empathy should guide your morals.....

[Monk (in hiding)]

lol - some people have no empathy, then what?

Right and Wrong sounds like religious teachings......

[Agartha]

lol - some people have no empathy, then what?

Right and Wrong sounds like religious teachings......

Lack of empathy is determining the affairs of the world......... you can't be a good businessman and have empathy at the same time. You wouldn't abuse and kill millions if you had empathy.

Right and wrong is part of life, VM......cause there is right and wrong:  harming others is wrong, helping others is right.

[Marilyn7]

Do I believe that Jesus existed ...Yes I do .

[Monk (in hiding)]

lol - some people have no empathy, then what?

Right and Wrong sounds like religious teachings......

Lack of empathy is determining the affairs of the world......... you can't be a good businessman and have empathy at the same time. You wouldn't abuse and kill millions if you had empathy.

Right and wrong is part of life, VM......cause there is right and wrong:  harming others is wrong, helping others is right.

'Harming others' is a matter of interpretation.

'Right and wrong' is again, matter of interpretation.

'Helping others' is met with scorn, remember what I was shown, shall I explain once again?


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The Ten Commandments

1 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before Me.
2 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My Commandments.
3 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
4 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
5 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.
6 “You shall not murder.
7 “You shall not commit adultery.
8 “You shall not steal.
9 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
10 “You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.”

[Monk (in hiding)]

Do I believe that Jesus existed ...Yes I do .  

Jesus still exists in the hearts of 100's of millions.

[Mordae]

(which seem to be, for the most part, Know thyself, do no harm, and treat others as you would treat yourself)

The Atheist version of the 10 Commandments

1  Do not intentionally harm others.
2  Do not, through inaction, allow others to come to harm.
3  Do not take the possessions of another.
4  Do not act with the purpose of hurting another's feelings.
5  Do not take pleasure in the pain of others, even animals.
6  Do not intimidate or bully others.
7  Do not force others to act against their will.
8  Do not withhold information from others that would affect their choices in your favor.
9  Do not lie or deceive others.
10 Do not take advantage of others under duress.

Yeah, you'll find the three basic messages in almost every religious text and even the odd non-religious text

[Rockhopper]

Do I believe that Jesus existed ...Yes I do .  

That's fair enough Marilyn, I'm not trying to change your mind.

We are all born with an inate sense of right and wrong, at least most of us are. Psychopaths are not in that class as they were born without a conscience.

As Mordman says, just about every religious text states the same kind of directives.

Just because some-one doesn't believe in religion does not mean that they have no morality, to assume that is pure arrogance. and self-deception. Some Atheists I know are very highly moralistic people. Just the same as some Religious people I know are complete arseholes. A belief in a deity has nothing to do with it.

Tim.

[Monk (in hiding)]

Correct, I side with neither Religious or Atheist viewpoints. I claim to be a follower of no belief systems.

[Mordae]

We are all born with an inate sense of right and wrong, at least most of us are. Psychopaths are not in that class as they were born without a conscience.

As Mordman says, just about every religious text states the same kind of directives.

Tim.

Just to put it in perspective, run those directives against the current governmental and economic system's that are currently in place. It's amazing how far we have strayed.

[Monk (in hiding)]

strayed from what?

[Mordae]

*sigh*  Really?

Best take your eyes off the messenger and start listening to the message.

[Monk (in hiding)]

Correct, the message of Jesus.

[Mordae]

Incorrect, the message of most religions.

[Monk (in hiding)]

what is the message?

[Mordae]

short attention span huh?

read up a couple of posts.

[Agartha]

I'd say the common message could be 'love all' and 'do no harm', but then they contradict themselves with messages of sexism, hate and hypocricy.

And I don't mean offense to anybody, but to me even Jesus's message is not one of love and peace..... one tiny example:

But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
-Luke 19:27

I'm sorry, but I do not want to destroy my enemies..... I simply wish them the best and go off on my way.

We could just follow the message without believing in a deity, really..... cause we all know religions were created to dived and separate, just look at our world today.

[Monk (in hiding)]

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