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Post by Rockhopper on Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:13 am

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The RV Kaharoa motored out of Wellington, New Zealand on Saturday, loaded with more than 100 scientific instruments, each eventually destined for a watery grave. Crewmembers will spend the next two months dropping the 50-pound devices, called Argo floats, into the seas between New Zealand and Mauritius, off the coast of Madagascar. There, the instruments will sink and drift, then measure temperature, salinity and pressure as they resurface to beam the data to a satellite. The battery-powered floats will repeat that process every 10 days — until they conk out, after four years or more, and become ocean junk.

Under an international program begun in 2000, and that started producing useful global data in 2005, the world’s warming and acidifying seas have been invisibly filled with thousands of these bobbing instruments. They are gathering and transmitting data that’s providing scientists with the clearest-ever pictures of the hitherto-unfathomed extent of ocean warming. About 90 percent of global warming is ending up not on land, but in the oceans.

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“We continue to be stunned at how rapidly the ocean is warming,” said Sarah Gille, a Scripps Institution of Oceanography professor. Gille was not involved with this paper, nor was she involved with a similar one published Sunday that examined the role of ocean warming in rising sea levels. She described both of them as “tremendously interesting” studies.

“Even if we stopped all greenhouse gas emissions today, we'd still have an ocean that is warmer than the ocean of 1950, and that heat commits us to a warmer climate,” Gille said. “Extra heat means extra sea level rise, since warmer water is less dense, so a warmer ocean expands.”

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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Tue Oct 07, 2014 9:30 am

How long have ocean temperatures been recorded worldwide, 50 to 60 years at best?

Google 'ocean temperatures data for the year 1880'

You won't find the raw data for the year 1880, all you will find are some charts without the itemized raw data. How many locations and how often were oceans temps taken in 1880, show me the data?

Those charts are postulated to fit into an agenda. Prove otherwise.

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Post by Lenzabi on Wed Oct 08, 2014 1:29 am

With warmer water, such as has been happening near Russia, the Methane Hydrates are thawing and methane bubbles are becoming larger and more frequent.

Methane is a far more troublesome Greenhouse gas that Carbon Dioxide.

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Post by Rockhopper on Wed Oct 08, 2014 1:43 am

Yeah that's the problem Len. Methane is nasty!

With the oceans warming we get storms that are more violent and moving into places that don't usually get them.

Not relevant VM. The oceans have been increasing in temperature  especially over the last decade. We know it because we have been accurately measuring them!

The heat is releasing Methane in large amounts especially in the Arctic Ocean.

It's up to you to prove what you say is correct and that the oceans are not warming.

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Post by Lenzabi on Wed Oct 08, 2014 7:55 am

Yeah, storms fueled by the warming will be bigger, meaner, and more potent, and that is bad news for anyone caught in such zones where also building codes are flimsy as the houses and buildings made under them.

Methane is the bigger worry as it has no color, no odor, but has a huge impact.

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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Wed Oct 08, 2014 8:27 am

Not relevant VM. The oceans have been increasing in temperature especially over the last decade. We know it because we have been accurately measuring them!


Ten years of increase in temp, WOW! Idea

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Post by Rockhopper on Wed Oct 08, 2014 3:46 pm

High Tide in some Pacific Islands!

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High tide Marshall Islands.

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Yes Len, methane is a far more nasty GHG. And it's being released in ever increasing amounts.

Climate Scientists set about finding what has caused the last pause in heating, they found that the excess heat is going into the oceans and heating them up.

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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Wed Oct 08, 2014 3:51 pm

Excess heat from what?


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Post by Agartha on Thu Oct 09, 2014 3:17 pm

III wrote:Excess heat from what?

Extra heat from the atmosphere, caused by climate change.

The oceans absorb excess heat from the atmosphere, in fact only the top few metres of the oceans store as much heat as the Earth's entire atmosphere!!!  This means that, as the climate warms up, there will be more heat rising to the atmosphere and thus extra energy absorbed by the oceans.


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Post by Rockhopper on Thu Oct 09, 2014 3:33 pm

Yes Ags. Very cold water and high pressures cause Methane to be trapped in the water molecules (called Hydrates). As the water warms it releases the Methane into the atmosphere.

Methane a a bad GHG.

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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Thu Oct 09, 2014 4:46 pm

@Agartha wrote:
III wrote:Excess heat from what?

Extra heat from the atmosphere, caused by climate change.

The oceans absorb excess heat from the atmosphere, in fact only the top few metres of the oceans store as much heat as the Earth's entire atmosphere!!!  This means that, as the climate warms up, there will be more heat rising to the atmosphere and thus extra energy absorbed by the oceans.


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Ain't that a dandy......

Climate ->

1. the composite or generally prevailing weather conditions of a region, as temperature, air pressure, humidity, precipitation, sunshine, cloudiness, and winds, throughout the year, averaged over a series of years.

Change ->

1. to make the form, nature, content, future course, etc., of (something) different from what it is or from what it would be if left alone:

The climate changes daily where I live, always has, always will......

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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Thu Oct 09, 2014 4:50 pm

Sea-level change along the French Atlantic and Channel coasts since the time of the Last Glacial Maximum

ABSTRACT Holocene sea-level change along the French Atlantic and English Channel coast is not uniform because of the response of the crust to the changing ice and water loads in Late Pleistocene and Holocene time. The pattern of the spatial variability is a north-south trend, of decreasing sea levels levels at any time. This results primarily from the isostatic response to the melting of the Fennoscandian ice sheet. Superimposed upon this is a mainly east-west trend resulting from the isostatic response of the crust to the addition of the meltwater into the Atlantic ocean. The combined effect is that at any time sea levels vary spatially along this coastline by amounts that are predicted to reach 20 m from the time of the Last Glacial Maximum to about 10,000 radiocarbon yr ago, about 15 m at 8000 yr ago and about 10 m at 6000 yr ago. Thus observations of past sea levels should not be combined into a single sea-level curve unless first corrected for the glacio-hydro-isostatic factors. Alternatively, the data should only be used to construct regional curves for relatively short sections of the coastline, such as Pas-de-Calais and Picardie, Normandie, Côtes-du-Nord, Finistère, or the Vendée and Charente-Maritime region. Even within such constrained regions the spatial variability may still be of the order of a few meters. Analysis of the observational data by region indicates that major oscillations in sea level are unlikely to have occurred, that levels at no location exceeded the present mean sea level, and that there may have been a small (∼ 3 m) increase in eustatic sea level over the past 6000 yr. Palaeoshorelines and palaeo-water depths for the English Channel and the Atlantic coast shelf have been predicted using the isostatic and eustatic models and the results indicate that in-situ marine deposits older than 6000–7000 yr are unlikely to be found along many sections of the present coastline.

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Post by Rockhopper on Thu Oct 09, 2014 4:55 pm

And deniers will always believe their bullshit too. That's okay, we humour them!

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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Thu Oct 09, 2014 4:58 pm

@Rockhopper wrote:And deniers will always believe their bullshit too. That's okay, we humour them!

Tim.

I just presented you the FACTS, what Planet do you live on?




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Just a few years ago Ijad Madisch of Germany was doing medical research at Harvard, armed with a PhD in virology. Now Madisch oversees a small but growing social network for scientists called ResearchGate, based in Berlin, Germany and backed by several U.S venture capital firms. (emphasis mine) His goals are audacious, even for Silicon Valley. “I want ResearchGate to win the Nobel Prize,” he says during a visit last week to San Francisco.

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Hmmmm! A Virologist who knows all about climate eh!

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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Thu Oct 09, 2014 5:22 pm

What the hell was that nonsense crap you just posted?

Start reading and quit the mud slinging bull!

The Name is Kurt Lambek.

Research School of Earth Sciences, The Australian National University, Canberra, ACT 0200, Australia Palaeogeography Palaeoclimatology Palaeoecology (Impact Factor: 2.75). 01/1997; DOI: 10.1016/S0031-0182(96)00061-2

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Post by Rockhopper on Thu Oct 09, 2014 5:48 pm

Give it a rest VM go and chill out.

I learned how to sling mud as you put it from you mate.

The site is owned and operated by the person I stated in my earlier post. He vets EVERYTHING THAT IS POSTED THERE!

That's what you should do mate, see who the owner of the site is and what their qualifications are. The owner is a VIROLOGIST NOT A CLIMATOLOGIST!

Kurt Lambek is entitled to his opinions, he's one of the very few deniers. That's his right. He's wrong in that we know that the oceans reached isostasy 4000 yrs ago and until this last century they were stable.

We know that the oceans are getting warmer because we are measuring them accurately. We also know that the oceans are rising and have risen considerably in the last few decades again because we are measuring them accurately.

I may be many things but I am not a shill for big Oil and Coal. Something that you apparently are.

You don't have to agree with what I post, that's you right too but throwing a tantrum at them is just plain childish.

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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Thu Oct 09, 2014 5:56 pm

So the web site owner is a VIROLOGIST?

Must you always nitpick at some detail to make your point. I know, you narcissists do that. lsol

Here's the article -> http://www.anu.edu.au/

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Post by Lenzabi on Thu Oct 09, 2014 6:23 pm

Too many people in America are Koch-washed. The think tanks that come out with climate fdenial are Koch brother funded, same thing with their anti-democracy, anti-equal rights, anti union, anti-fair wages, anti anything, they make too much money so spend it trying to help make America a Oligarchial Dictatorship.

400 think tanks and institutes and poli-groups all get their money from Koch Brothers who make an insane 16million Dollars a day,,,,,EACH!

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Post by Rockhopper on Thu Oct 09, 2014 7:20 pm

The Aust. Coal Mining Association. They are another Climate Science Denier group. That is what we are fighting, heaps of money! Kurt Lambek appears to be getting funding from them.

There is a pause in the heating of the atmosphere over the last few years that has puzzled the Climatologists (not Virologists!) and they have found out that the heat is going into the deep ocean. That is alarming because the consequences are dire for so many people who live on or near sea-level.

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