Re: Good Video on Evolution...

[Stirky]

I've said before on this forum, there are and awful lot of things in our universe that science can not explain, or there are no tests for, it does not stop people believing in those things and them actually being true and real. We just are not advanced enough yet to explain them in a scientific way. Plus science does not answer all the questions.

[Monk (in hiding)]

Today Science is the study of the material universe.

Ever since classical antiquity, science as a type of knowledge has been closely linked to philosophy. In the West during the early modern period the words "science" and "philosophy of nature" were sometimes used interchangeably,[3]:p.3 and until the 19th century natural philosophy (which is today called "natural science") was considered a separate branch of philosophy.[4]

In modern usage however, "science" most often refers to a way of pursuing knowledge, not only the knowledge itself. It is also often restricted to those branches of study that seek to explain the phenomena of the material universe.[5]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science

[Agartha]

VM, science was a philosophical view of who and why we are, it was philosophy and theology all in one.

Things probably changed with Newton who argued about doing scientific undertakings in an orderly way, with a hypothesis, etc. However, he still believed that God was behind it all, so his view was still very philosophical

In modern times there was a big shift from religion which gave way to modern science.

So now we have science, theology, sociology, etc, many branches that study the universe and its inhabitants in very different ways. None of them is wrong nor right, but they all have a specific job to do: you cannot study a virus with philosophy, like you cannot disprove God with science.

[Rockhopper]

It really started with Aristotle pondering the complexities. Science went through the Alchemists trying to change Lead into Gold. In trying to do that they discovered Chemistry.

Newton's discoveries brought in Physics and so on. No-one has ever seen electricity but we know it exists every day.

There are legitimate Scientists working on this endeavour to find out how consciousness works and Schwartz and Chopra are not helping forward the knowledge of it. Rather the opposite in fact.

Humans are intuitive, we have had to be to survive in a very hostile world and that gave rise to religious beliefs. Who's to say whether those are right or wrong?

Tim.

[Monk (in hiding)]

He has a "memory like an elephant".

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Amazingly, the elephants seem to be able to hear rainfall from great distances and respond accordingly.

"When the rain falls, they hear it and go within 24 hours, heading for where the rain has fallen. Rain has a very low infrasonic signal and the elephants hear it over great distances."

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/09/0927_020927_mali_2.html

[Monk (in hiding)]

Humans are intuitive, we have had to be to survive in a very hostile world and that gave rise to religious beliefs.

Spirits of Animals ,Totems, Animal Guides, and Hunting Magic

The world of the forest and waters is the home to the wild animals upon which man relies to survive. Animals are called amitan, “having an ami soul”, because like human beings they possess an ami body soul that provides the breath and warmth of the living body. Ami souls of animals usually reincarnate as newborn members of their species, thus deer return as more deer, seals return as seals, bears reincarnate as bears. Since they have souls animals are considered to have personalities, language, and even psychic abilities just like humans.


http://tengerism.org/animal_spirits.html

[Agartha]

VM, care to explain your last two posts please?
How do they correlate with this thread's discussion?
..in your own words please.

[Monk (in hiding)]

Why would we need religious beliefs to survive in a very hostile world?

[Agartha]

Why would we need religious beliefs to survive in a very hostile world?

I guess religion was a response to human fear, fear to things and phenomena we couldn't understand and we thought it was magic. We also needed religion to explain who we were and where we came from... or how the sky and earth were created.

[Monk (in hiding)]

Why would we need religious beliefs to survive in a very hostile world?

I guess religion was a response to human fear, fear to things and phenomena we couldn't understand and we thought it was magic. We also needed religion to explain who we were and where we came from... or how the sky and earth were created.

Like the fear of darkness, only to awaken to a new born sun.

[Rockhopper]

Fear is healthy but when it becomes irrational it's not. A phobia is an irrational fear.

An example of how it works is thus:

A primitive fellow, we'll call him Ogg, is sitting by the fire in his hut one night thinking about the trip he must make the next day into the forest. He knows that there are two paths, one goes through deep bushes and the other goes through an open area. Ogg knows that there are Leopards in the forest that would have him for dinner. So which path would he take? He knows that the bush covered path is much shorter and quicker (rational thought) but a leopard could be lurking in those bushes, the open path is longer and more time consuming but is less likely to have a leopard lurking out there (abstract thought). So fear of a leopard attack makes him take the longer path. That is rational fear but if Ogg decides that the decision was by way of a Divine Intervention, that is irrational and not based on experience or abstract thinking.

The problem that arises from studying consciousness is defining just what it means. Everyone has a different opinion on it's meaning. Religion is the same -- it has a different meaning to each individual and that creates animosity.

Tim.

[Rockhopper]

Getting back to the original post this video explains it in colourful terms.



Tim.

[Monk (in hiding)]

We evolved, so now we have to wear cloths to stay warm, why do we feel the need to wear cloths in the first place?

[Rockhopper]

The answer is self evident RC. In the original place where humans evolved, there was no need for clothes.

Try surviving outside in a winter where you live without them.

Tim.

[Monk (in hiding)]

The answer is self evident RC. In the original place where humans evolved, there was no need for clothes.

Try surviving outside in a winter where you live without them.

Tim.

Yes, the Indigenous peoples, they are as we are, no?



No Evolution, just migrating to colder climates. They wear headdresses, we wear top hats.

[Rockhopper]

That is why we are white and they are brown. That is called "Evolution". Evolution is when an organism changes to survive in a particular environment that is different to where they originated. Originally we were quite hairy but we evolved to be able to sweat profusely to maintain body temperature so we lost that body hair.

The dark skin colouring was to protect the skin from burning in the sun. Our European ancestors had much less of a problem with sunburn so the melanin gene was switched off (mutation).

Yes, our ancestors migrated out of Africa and over a long time became 'Palefaces'! We are the only animals that take our environment with us where-ever we go, so clothes became the normal. As did we make better houses and other ways of staying warm in a cold climate.

Tim.

[Monk (in hiding)]

Wearing clothes is a learned behavior.

You say those Abrahamic Religions are evil and fairy tales, yes? Yet you would feel ashamed being in public without clothes?

Where do you think 'wearing clothes' came from?

Why must you adhere to these religious customs if you are so against them?

[Rockhopper]

Poe's Law!

Nothing to do with religious beliefs, that came along much later in humanity. I have no problem with clothes, people can wear as little or as much as they like. Society has laws regarding nudity that varies from country to country and one must abide by them.

As for a "learned Response" remember that making guns is a learned experience as are bows and arrows, writing is a learned experience too. All are things that generally make our lives easier. All are "Learned" RC. All the other primates including humans learn new things and we are still learning even newer things each day.

There are thousands of pages of data regarding Evolution in general and Human Evolution in particular if you care to go and look for them. All are backed up with defined tests and experiments to show the veracity of them. Where is your verifiable evidence RC? Not fringe sites or other places which state opinions not based on evidence but the real stuff?

Tim.

[Agartha]

You say those Abrahamic Religions are evil and fairy tales, yes? Yet you would feel ashamed being in public without clothes?

Where do you think 'wearing clothes' came from?

Why must you adhere to these religious customs if you are so against them?

You do the same: you are so against the evil of science and yet you use all the things we have thanks to science: medicines, computers, internet, etc.

Let's not judge others if you don't want to be judged.

[Monk (in hiding)]

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