Re: White suspect in killing of nine in Black Church

[Lenzabi]

Try this  http://theconversation.com/the-lethal-gentleman-the-benevolent-sexism-behind-dylann-roofs-racism-43534

Roof is that colonizer. White women are his land. His land is a she. His relationship to this country and the white women in it is the same: both belong to white men like him.

In his mind, apparently, black people are the interlopers, the rapists, the plunderers of his natural resources, female and otherwise. It’s a twisted but not an unusual way to think about the world; not then and not now.

As sociologist Michael Kimmel documents in Angry White Men, the rage felt by many rural, poor and working class whites is rooted in the belief that a country that is their birthright is being taken away from them.

[Stargate]

This is actually a pretty good article, there is a lot of truth to it.
I was on a forum and the topic came up from an article,'Why the rest of the world hate Americans" at first I did not want to say anything because it was coming from America. In the end I felt like letting go some of the negative I had accumulated. I posted that one of the main reason was that the Americans stole the land from the Indigenous people and raped their women and turned the people into beggars. The next thing I know I was expelled from the forum.

Two of our main problem on planet earth is in my view women, and land. The one with women, and this is mainly from white males is, they think they own women, white or black. They rape black women, but they hate to think of a black man sleeping with a white woman, so any sexual contact must be a black man raping a white woman. They cannot conceive consensual sex between these two colored people.

In the context of Africa, lots of people do not know especially in South Africa, that rape is the biggest problem, and most of it stems from black men watching how white men rape their women and get away with it. The problem is very deep and goes back to living in the caves.

White men or most white men believe white women are slaves, they are owned by these men. If you look at the way they are treated, they are paid less for the same work, if not for the anti baby pill to give them some sort of autonomy they had to work like horses and be ready for the male at his beckon call.
Land is the other main contentious point. The history of white domination and colonization is whatever land is colonized, becomes the birth right of the colonizer, which dictates what happens to the indigenous land owners.

I personally do not think this boy brought up himself in the world. he is only 21, I would bet my bottom dollar his parents is behind some of his teachings.

[Lenzabi]

Parents, friends and other he associated with that espoused these ideals of White Supremacy and Birthright. Entitlement to do as he as a white male could think of w/o consequences. Notice the article i linked shows they view the women and lands the same way, they are for their use, all others bugger off!

Also, I would say the forum you were on are predominated by white males and they were trying to go half baked as to why America has lost so much respect in the world and garnered hate, they will go around in circles as they will not, cannot face the man in the mirror.

[Rockhopper]

When I was wandering around the US I noted the Racism especially in the south. Some of it was in my face style but most was subtle but distinct. I noticed it because I come from a country where racism is miniscule (yes, there are some here too).

The worst country I have visited and lived in for racism is Aust. I'm sad to say. Especially against the Aborigines. It even shows in their treatment of Asylum Seekers.

Tim.

[Lenzabi]

When I was wandering around the US I noted the Racism especially in the south. Some of it was in my face style but most was subtle but distinct. I noticed it because I come from a country where racism is miniscule (yes, there are some here too).

The worst country I have visited and lived in for racism is Aust. I'm sad to say. Especially against the Aborigines. It even shows in their treatment of Asylum Seekers.

Tim.

Yeah I heard about the Australian racism.

I can appear European, many take me for Italian when they see me, I was actually asked many times if I was Italian or of Mediterranean heritage, LOL.

Some are surprised I am Half Native American, although raised as a White Person. Logic suggests my birth place as making it easy to have been Seminole and European mix, I would have to spend plenty I don't have to investigate the biological parents.

[Rogue]

Yes I would also agree that Australia is still quite racist toward Aboriginals. But I wouldn't say there was such strong racism towards any other races.

Asylum Seekers is a particulary different situation, largely due to our pathetic governments agenda to make sure Australians remain living in as much fear as possible.

[Stargate]

I have heard about the racism in Australia, I have not visited that country so I do not have information first hand, however I think it is particularly sad knowing how that country got started.
I have however visited some other countries where racism is very bad. Although the Germans carried out some terrible atrocities in Africa, many people do not have a clue what went down. For example the extermination of Jews was fist practiced in Africa with Africans.
Here are a few countries I have visited and can tell you from experience, they are very sick and afraid of black people. The first one is Belgium, this is the place where Leopold the so called Great came from. I was frightened to walk on the streets.
Holland, there are some places where the Buers come from, (the people who started apartheid in South Africa) a black person could starve with the abundance of food. I have traveled extensively and there is hardly a so called white country that I have not experienced some form of racism.
The only country I can say I have visited where the people on a whole were receptive to me was Yugoslavia. I was very much surprised and happy to meet such people. I do not know how it is today, but in the sixties it was very much the best in race relations that I knew.
I was very disappointed in England because growing up with white people in Jamaica I did not know it was that different in England. I did not like to stay in England because I grew up think that was the mother country, I carried a sort of dislike until I realized that I cannot let hatred rule my life, and I cannot blame others for my own short comings.
America is one of the places where racism is denied, which makes it one of the worst. However it is also one of the places where some white people do not want anything to do with racism at all.
Germany is mixed, I had good and bad experiences.

[Lenzabi]

Yep, we have progressive enough people who don't care as much as others about ethnicity/orientation/etc. But we do have the areas that boggle the mind.

[Stargate]

Yep, we have progressive enough people who don't care as much as others about ethnicity/orientation/etc. But we do have the areas that boggle the mind.

Take a look at this.

[Rockhopper]

Good clip Star and true too. It breaks down to fear, all hatred comes from fear of the other.

Interesting comments on your travels too. I have noticed what you were saying in my travels as well. The Belgians are strange people Star, not sure what to make of them. They, like some other people are what one could call "Border People". The Geordies in the nth of England, the Boers in Holland (Brits fought a war with them in Sth Africa), the Yidisch in Germany/Austria and so on. Border people don't fit with either side and Belgium is the border between France and Holland. They are not quite French and not quite Dutch either.

I had a great time in Kingston, Jamaica too, not all of it fuelled by rum either and also in Cuba.

Tim.

[Stargate]

Good clip Star and true too. It breaks down to fear, all hatred comes from fear of the other.

Interesting comments on your travels too. I have noticed what you were saying in my travels as well. The Belgians are strange people Star, not sure what to make of them. They, like some other people are what one could call "Border People". The Geordies in the nth  of England, the Boers in Holland (Brits fought a war with them in Sth Africa), the Yidisch in Germany/Austria and so on. Border people don't fit with either side and Belgium is the border between France and Holland. They are not quite French and not quite Dutch either.

I had a great time in Kingston, Jamaica too, not all of it fuelled by rum either    and also in Cuba.

Tim.

Sadly Tim, Jamaica is not what it used to be, although not many countries are. THEY HAD TO BORROW MONEY FROM THE IMF WHICH HAS LEFT THE IN ECONOMICAL RUIN. I am sure you are aware of the IMF rules and regulation, they set how you spend the money. I have lost my business, and at the same time I became ill. The health system broke down and I had to come to the US for surgery.

Jamaica is very nice of you have money, other wise the paradise becomes hell.

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