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Post by Rockhopper on Fri Jul 18, 2014 1:17 am

In Ukraine.

Russian-backed Cossack militants have allegedly claimed responsibility for shooting down Malaysia Airlines MH17.

Ukraine media have reported the content of a phone call between members of militant groups, intercepted by Ukraine's security agency.

The call was made 20 minutes after the plane crash by Igor Bezler, military commander of the separatist Donetsk People's Republic, the Kyiv Post reported.

He was said to be reporting to a Russian army colonel in their intelligence department.

In a transcript of the conversation Bezler said: "We have just shot down a plane".

In another conversation between two militants identified as "Major" and "Greek", they were heard discussing what they found at the crash site, discovering it was a civilian aircraft.

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Igor Bezler: We have just shot down a plane. Group Minera. It fell down beyond Yenakievo.

Vasili Geranin: Pilots. Where are the pilots?

IB: Gone to search for and photograph the plane. Its smoking.

VG: How many minutes ago?

IB: About 30 minutes ago.

From Here.

If that is true then the fertiliser is about to hit the oscillator!

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Post by Mordae on Fri Jul 18, 2014 2:32 am

Oh yes...it'll be interesting to see what happens. Nato should be able to track where the missile came from (if it can't then it really needs to upgrade).
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Post by Rogue on Fri Jul 18, 2014 6:07 am



Sad sad news.. a terrible loss of life and again for locals here after MH370.
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Post by Rogue on Fri Jul 18, 2014 6:08 am

"RUSSIAN leader Vladimir Putin has two choices in the wake of the murder of 298 innocent civilians on board Malaysia Airlines Flight 17.

He can either deny all knowledge and any culpability and risk even greater isolation and harsher sanctions from NATO and the United States or he can condemn the actions of local rebel commanders and withdraw support from eastern Ukraine thus allowing Ukrainian forces to move in and tidy up their eastern border."
Full>> http://www.news.com.au/world/russian-president-vladimir-putins-response-to-mh17-crash-could-it-spark-war/story-fndir2ev-1226993795375
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Post by Stirky on Fri Jul 18, 2014 7:09 am

So sad, just heard that there were people on this plane from a family that also lost relatives on MH370.

Something is not right about this at all.
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Post by X on Fri Jul 18, 2014 7:40 am

Humans vs. Humans...the fight continues...and death Is the conséquence...

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Post by Rockhopper on Sat Jul 19, 2014 12:42 am

Mr.W wrote:Humans vs. Humans...the fight continues...and death Is the conséquence...

Can't argue with that Mr. W.

All indications so far show that the Separatists were responsible. They have the Black Boxes but are refusing to hand them over.

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Post by Mordae on Sat Jul 19, 2014 2:37 am

Yes, it certainly looks that way atm although the conspiracy theories are flying already...
http://www.globalresearch.ca/malaysian-airlines-flight-mh17-downed-over-warzone-ukraine-who-was-behind-it-cui-bono/5391840

https://www.facebook.com/pepe.escobar.77377/posts/10152558666906678

... some of which are compelling. Still a lot of questions to be answered, and while it'd be incredibly useful, the chances of getting a piece of missile with an identification number is remote.
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Post by Rockhopper on Sat Jul 19, 2014 4:06 am

The Yank Admin. knows more than they are letting on. Apparently they were using satellite imaging to check out what the villains had in the form of weaponry and saw the event taking place according to Al Jaz.

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Post by Rogue on Sat Jul 19, 2014 4:14 am


Hec that would be interesting if it is true Rock!
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Post by Mordae on Sun Jul 20, 2014 6:28 pm

Very. The big question being if they will share it if it shows something they don't like Wink
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Post by Rockhopper on Tue Jul 22, 2014 4:47 am

I see that the Separatists have handed over the Black Boxes now. But the scene is still no-go and has been raided by souvenir hunters.

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Post by Lenzabi on Tue Jul 22, 2014 1:41 pm

The loss of so many leading AIDS researchers on their way to a conference on the subject. The loss of a possible cure is unconscionable. I am pleased now to see that deciding NOT to pass this insanity of the world onto offspring as part of VHeMNT was a good move.

VHeMnt=Voluntary Human Extinction Movement. No protests, no arguments, no bad behavior, just choose to not have kids.

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Post by Rogue on Wed Jul 23, 2014 6:07 am

@Lenzabi wrote:

VHeMnt=Voluntary Human Extinction Movement. No protests, no arguments, no bad behavior, just choose to not have kids.

 cheers 
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Post by Lenzabi on Wed Jul 23, 2014 5:43 pm

@Rogue wrote:
@Lenzabi wrote:

VHeMnt=Voluntary Human Extinction Movement. No protests, no arguments, no bad behavior, just choose to not have kids.

 cheers 

See? I knew I may not be the only one here to do so. Also, those who have kids already can be part of it by not having anymore kids. it is that simple!

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Post by Agartha on Thu Jul 24, 2014 2:53 am

I have heard of the movement years ago and I disagree, even though I didn't plan my kids, none of them.....let me explain why....

The movement  members do it for a couple of reasons: some want a total extermination of the human race, to allow other species to thrive. Others want to decrease the world population to help those humans in the future, cause= less of us, better for them.

First, I don't see nothing wrong with us, we can be good and kind and considerate to others and other species, and just because we have been doing it wrong since the industrial revolution, it doesn't mean we cannot fix our ways. We don't need to exterminate ourselves, we need to start leaving in harmony with the planet, just like all other animals do. We can do it.

Second, I don't see the future as bleak as some see it. We may get to a really low point but we are never going to kill the planet or all its species.......I believe that, if we were the parasites some think we are, Gaia would have gotten rid of all of us already. But we are not. We are and can become a better species.

Third, I can't think of humans in the future and ignore those in the here and now........ How can you think about those in the  future but don't do anything to help innocent kids that are suffering right now in 3rd world countries?

Should we not start by caring about those that are living and suffering right now, instead of thinking about those in the future that do not even exist yet?
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Post by Rogue on Thu Jul 24, 2014 5:28 am

I'm disgusted!!  Mad 

MH17 victims’ phones answered by looters
12 HOURS AGO JULY 24, 2014 8:12AM

DISTRESSED relatives have called the mobile phones of MH17 victims — and they’ve been answered.

The reports appear to confirm that the belongings of people who went down with the doomed Malaysia Airlines flight have been looted.
http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/mh17-victims-phones-answered-by-looters/story-fnizu68q-1227000164775
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Post by Lenzabi on Thu Jul 24, 2014 7:23 am

@Agartha wrote:I have heard of the movement years ago and I disagree, even though I didn't plan my kids, none of them.....let me explain why....

The movement  members do it for a couple of reasons: some want a total extermination of the human race, to allow other species to thrive. Others want to decrease the world population to help those humans in the future, cause= less of us, better for them.

First, I don't see nothing wrong with us, we can be good and kind and considerate to others and other species, and just because we have been doing it wrong since the industrial revolution, it doesn't mean we cannot fix our ways. We don't need to exterminate ourselves, we need to start leaving in harmony with the planet, just like all other animals do. We can do it.

Second, I don't see the future as bleak as some see it. We may get to a really low point but we are never going to kill the planet or all its species.......I believe that, if we were the parasites some think we are, Gaia would have gotten rid of all of us already. But we are not. We are and can become a better species.

Third, I can't think of humans in the future and ignore those in the here and now........ How can you think about those in the  future but don't do anything to help innocent kids that are suffering right now in 3rd world countries?

Should we not start by caring about those that are living and suffering right now, instead of thinking about those in the future that do not even exist yet?


Now the idea of the movement is that there is nothing to argue over as it is a personal choice for whatever reasons, there are parents who have decided that their 1-3 kids are enough, others, like myself, could not afford for one thing to have and raise a pet let alone kids. Toss in my health issues and my parenting capability is further down the line and why would I myself personally condemn another to such issues passed onto them?  As for the suffering of those of today? that is the issues of not just population explosion, but wealth inequality combined with the sloppy management of resources for the sole purpose of greed. Many can indeed help those who are in need. The self imposed, and I do not expect others to blindly follow my example, but we do also have a issue where 1st world nations do consume so much more than the rest of the world cousins. Mother Nature does try to eliminate via epigenetic triggers such as the rise in the people who realize that they are attracted not to opposites but same genders, that is a way of putting the brakes on overpopulation, animals even do this when their populations get too high (Sorry right wingers, but Gaia/God/Universe did make triggers for emergencies in all living beings). Based on other findings, I am unsure if Humanity will pass through the coming 6th mass extinction taking place, but I will not be personally be part of the increase of the population from 7billion to 9billion or more by the 2020's. When I was born there was just 3billion humans on the planet. Humans must make their own choices, it is that simple. Some can choose to be wonderful beings and make this a brighter world, others go with the flow, and others seem bent on making the place darker through many means. I personally came here to do observations, granted the making a family may have given a different insight than what I have done, but past lives did enough to further things along, this life, I came here to observe with less distractions, and be as small a burden as possible. That was my choice before entering this world, and I shall leave with as much fanfare.







@Rogue wrote:I'm disgusted!!  Mad 

MH17 victims’ phones answered by looters
12 HOURS AGO JULY 24, 2014 8:12AM

DISTRESSED relatives have called the mobile phones of MH17 victims — and they’ve been answered.

The reports appear to confirm that the belongings of people who went down with the doomed Malaysia Airlines flight have been looted.
http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/mh17-victims-phones-answered-by-looters/story-fnizu68q-1227000164775

And this is one of the things that makes the shadow loom over the mantle of humanity.

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Post by Agartha on Thu Jul 24, 2014 7:36 am

I truly understand your points, Len, and I admire your honesty.........but even though I have been hurt by the selfishness and wickedness of certain individuals, I still love people, genuinely and I have hope in us, in humanity.

And I think it's wonderful you know exactly what you came to do in this life..........cause I know too, we just came with different plans, eh?

Hugs to you! ♥
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Post by Lenzabi on Thu Jul 24, 2014 7:45 am

@Agartha wrote:I truly understand your points, Len, and I admire your honesty.........but even though I have been hurt by the selfishness and wickedness of certain individuals, I still love people, genuinely and I have hope in us, in humanity.

And I think it's wonderful you know exactly what you came to do in this life..........cause I know too, we just came with different plans, eh?

Hugs to you! ♥️

Hugs back at ya!  Wink (((((HUG))))). I know my last few posts have seemed a bit curmudgeonish, and very down on Humanity, but also, it is from my Non-Human thinking as well as the fact that with the present trends, and the current events, and how much pain and suffering there is with those who can help fix it doing the opposite of that has impacted that thinking. There was the hope of a better world when the planet avoided Nuclear mass destruction years ago, the halt to the murder of the cetaceans, and the ideals of governments helping to fix pollution and such, but it all swung back to the Greed running and ruining everything. So while my observations and reports will not condemn, they also do not mean that there will not be some things allowed anymore, as Humanity has proven itself poor caretakers.

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