Earth's water is older than the sun.

[Agartha]

A very interesting article! What I find mindblowing is that, according to this scientific research, most water on our planet is older than Earth..... the water is older than everything else....

Earth's water is older than the sun: Likely originated as ices that formed in interstellar space.

Water is found throughout our Solar System. Not just on Earth, but on icy comets and moons, and in the shadowed basins of Mercury. Water has been found included in mineral samples from meteorites, the Moon, and Mars.

Comets and asteroids in particular, being primitive objects, provide a natural "time capsule" of the conditions during the early days of our Solar System. Their ices can tell scientists about the ice that encircled the Sun after its birth, the origin of which was an unanswered question until now.

Water was crucial to the rise of life on Earth and is also important to evaluating the possibility of life on other planets. Identifying the original source of Earth's water is key to understanding how life-fostering environments come into being and how likely they are to be found elsewhere. New work found that much of our solar system's water likely originated as ices that formed in interstellar space.

To read the whole article: LINK

[Rockhopper]

Yep Ags, H2O was probably the first compound molecule formed in the Universe.

Tim.

[Monk (in hiding)]

All life begins from WATER!

TIME is measured in cycles.

Aristotle has argued (roughly) that time cannot have a beginning on the grounds that in order for time to have a beginning, there must be a first moment of time, but that in order to count as a moment of time, that allegedly first moment would have to come between an earlier period of time and a later period of time, which is inconsistent with its being the first moment of time. (Aristotle argues in the same way that time cannot have an end.)

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/time/

Set The Controls For The Heart Of The Sun

[Monk (in hiding)]

In the 1920s, theoretical physicists, most notably Albert Einstein, considered the possibility of a cyclic model for the universe as an (everlasting) alternative to the model of an expanding universe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclic_model

[Agartha]

I need to read about that cyclic model... I just read it quickly on wikipedia and it was  like reading Japanese, I didn't understand a word! lol

[Rockhopper]

There is the possibility that our universe is not the first one nor will it be the last. The latest theory is that the universe explodes in the big bang, expands out to it's apogee then collapses back into a single point (a singularity which contains all the matter and energy), then explodes again starting things all over again.

Tim.

[Monk (in hiding)]

Vibrational waves.

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." In the translations, "Word" is used for Logos (λόγος), but in theological discourse, this is often left untranslated.

En archē ēn ho Lógos, kai ho Lógos ēn pros ton Theón, kai Theós ēn ho Lógos.

Psalm 33:6 "By the word (logos) of the Lord the heavens were made, and by the breath (pneuma) of his mouth all their host (dynamis)." (ESV)

Genesis 1:1

2.As a statement describing the condition of the world when God began creating (When in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth, the earth was untamed and shapeless...).

[Agartha]

There is the possibility that our universe is not the first one nor will it be the last. The latest theory is that the universe explodes in the big bang, expands out to it's apogee then collapses back into a single point (a singularity which contains all the matter and energy), then explodes again starting things all over again.

Tim.

That's a scary thought, really........ cause everything will be eliminated when it collapses to a single point..... right?

[Rockhopper]

Not scary really Ags. The cycle is around 20 billion years according to the theory!

Tim.

[Agartha]

Not scary really Ags. The cycle is around 20 billion years according to the theory!

Tim.

hahah yes, but somebody will be alive then....... somewhere......... in a disappearing universe......

[Kaere]

How can a universe disappear? All the stuff in it can but the space itself? I wouldn't think so. If everything collapses into a single point, that single point is still existing somewhere, is it not?

[Monk (in hiding)]

How do we know 'reality' as we know it, may just be an illusion?

[Agartha]

How can a universe disappear? All the stuff in it can but the space itself? I wouldn't think so. If everything collapses into a single point, that single point is still existing somewhere, is it not?

That's what I don't get....... what happens to all that makes the universe? How do they shrink into a single point????

How do we know 'reality' as we know it, may just be an illusion?

According to Quantum scientists, reality isn't real at all: "Everything we call real is made of things that cannot be regarded as real"- Niels Bohr, Danish physicist.

Remember the famous double slit experiment? The experiment showed that observation affect reality.... which makes you ponder, what is reality? What we see? In the experiments we can see that electrons acted as waves when they were not observed..... but acted like particles when they were observed, when the camera was on. How did observation change the outcome and their behaviour?

And it makes you wonder if this goes on all the time....... is reality different when we are not looking?

[Rockhopper]

Gravity pulls it all in. Think a huge Black Hole where nothing escapes not even X-rays.

It would only exist for a split second then go boom again and the process repeats, at least that;s how the theory goes.

Pondering the inponderable makes my head hurt so I'll go out and tend to my cabbages. At least I know that they exist!

Tim.

[Monk (in hiding)]

In the Beginning

[Agartha]

Tim.... it's all too difficult for me to understand and believe..... I think I don't want to understand it and believe it, really...... I still can't comprehend the 'nothing' that created the universe, let alone the universe going pooff into nothing.

VM, what an interesting video!

[Rockhopper]

Well Ags, the Universe has probably existed as matter and energy forever. According the the hypothesis it has gone through continual cycles of contraction and expansion. And will probably do so forever more.

Everything contracts into a single point (for want of a better term) and then explodes out again. Expands and forms various galaxies and then reaches the point where the expansion is countered by gravity that pulls it all together again.

According to the theory, everything in the universe both matter and energy, is still there and will remain so forever.

Tim.

[Monk (in hiding)]

We can create energy from matter, why can't we create matter from energy?

[Rockhopper]

We can create energy from matter, why can't we create matter from energy?

Well VM you could always have a go at it. All you need to do is have somewhere where you can hold a temperature of about 15 MillionC and a pressure of about 100 million Kpascals.

Tim

[Mordae]

Tim.... it's all too difficult for me to understand and believe..... I think I don't want to understand it and believe it, really...... I still can't comprehend the 'nothing' that created the universe, let alone the universe going pooff into nothing.

VM, what an interesting video!

It's not really all that difficult a concept Ag's, and it's not really disappearing into nothingness, more buggering off somewhere else ...I chucked up something about this over at the stream (thanks again for that image VM, it is awesome )

If you imagine the inside of a black hole working as most vortex structures do, in all possibility, the end of the vortex may only be the size of an atom.  If the Black Hole "swallows" a huge quantity of mass in a short space of time, it may be possible that it builds to a bottleneck within the vortex, eventually erupting in a large explosion (think very messy hernia).

Theoretically (as black holes alter the properties of light and time), the explosion could ripple across dimensions as well as space, creating the multiverse.

What I really find interesting about this idea is that (to a degree) it fits with the Midgard serpent myth of Ragnorak, and that it could also be part of a cycle of death and rebirth.

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