Re: Ice Age Settlement At High Altitude

[Ken McClellan]

While you're entertaining notions that the sea level went down during the ice age and didn't manage to go way up during the pole shift that mainstream won't accept, please explain the Piri Reis and similar maps that show a denuded-of-snow-and-ice Antarctica.  Did the Ottomans really inherit a 12 million year old map?

Can't provide you a link (hasn't been seven days or whatever) but see the article "500-year-old map shatters official history."

[Monk (in hiding)]

^ Rock, can you explain?

[Agartha]

The Piris Reis map never showed Antartica, in fact the curve does not match Antarctica but it does match Patagonia (just turn the map around to see):

[Monk (in hiding)]

Sorry, the Oronteus Finaeus Map.

PROOF of advanced ancient civilizations!

The Oronteus Finaeus map, published in 1531, shows Antarctica before it was "discovered" and how it looked ice-free. The map shows continent rivers, valleys, and coastlines, as well as the approximate location of the south pole. It also gives the correct longitudinal coordinates.



https://forbiddenhistory.info/?q=node/70

[Monk (in hiding)]

In 1773 James Cook and his crew crossed the Antarctic Circle for the first time but although they discovered nearby islands, they did not catch sight of Antarctica itself. It is believed he was as close as 150 miles from the mainland.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Antarctica

[Ken McClellan]

Found some of them pesky naked giants wandering around too! Here we thought we had them, but NO!

[Agartha]

The Oronteus Finaeus Map, I don't think I have ever heard of it... I'll be researching a bit and I'll let you know what I think.... interesting!

[Ken McClellan]

Maps of the Ancient Sea Kings: Evidence of Advanced Civilization in the Ice Age -- Charles H. Hapgood

[Rockhopper]

The Piri Reis map was a copy of an early Chinese one. And like Ags says it doesn't show Antarctica at all.

The cartographers copied the Chinese map and re-centred it on Alexandria.

All the proper experts know why and how the sea levels have risen and fallen over the last million years or so.

VM/Omega you can go with your strange ideas but I go with fully trained scientists who work with real evidence not hypotheses that are un-proven and based on wild opinions with no factual basis.

As I have asked you so many times before, come up with factual evidence to back your claims. Evidence that can be tested by many others indifferent parts of the world and getting the same result.

Tim.

[Ken McClellan]

VM, for what it's worth, my Okanagan relatives remembered a time of advanced civilization in Antarctica.  So did some of my Celt ancestors.  Both remembered the goddess giving them a shove toward their new homelands.  One group called her Scomalt.  The others called her the Green Dragon.  See the word Samah-tuma-whoolah at Google Books' Adventures of the First Settlers on the Oregon or Columbia River, 1810-1813 by Alexander Ross.  Today's scientists see pole shifts and reversals as a vague possibility.  To our ancestors it was a done deal.  See Herodotus' History II:142.

See also Out of Antarctica : On the Origin of Peoples by Robert Argod.

[Rockhopper]

The Terra Australis of Finaeus and Mercator not a map of Antarctica based on lost Roman sources. Ptolemy, the Romans, and the other peoples of the Mediterranean were good, but not that good. Terra Australis is a big blob that only superficially resembles Antarctica, and only if you turn your head sideways and squint. By that same logic, if I stand far very away, in deep shadows, and don't speak, I look just like Antonio Banderas.

But Finaeus and Mercator's blob was not a figment of their imagination. They were not fantasists. Both were serious scholars trying to solve a difficult problem. Finding the best projection to represent the whole world was only one part of the problem. The other part was trying to make sense of the new and disjointed information that came in every day from sailors, priests, and spies. Finaeus and others tried to connect and faithfully represent these fragments of information using what seemed to be reasonable conjecture to fill in the blank spots.

In 1569, over thirty years after his cordiform map, Mecator published a new map of the world incorporating additional information. This map still featured an enormous southern continent beginning in Tierra del Fuego, but this Terra Australis featured some place names along the coast. From Tierra del Fuego, the coast tends straight east before jutting north to form a headland named Promontorium Terrae Australis in the South Atlantic near the Tristan da Cunha island group. Further east, it forms a second headland. near a group of islands called Los Romeros. The coast then loops south before turning almost due north the tropic of Capricorn where it almost touches Java. This land has the names Beach, Lucach, and Maletur. East of Beach the coast dips below the tropic again before heading gradually southeast across the South Pacific. Directly east of Beach is an island called Java Minor and beyond that is the enormous island of Nova Guinea. from Nova Guinea, the coast runs gradually southeast until it meets Tierra del Fuego. This stretch of coast is called Magellanica Regio (Magellan's Land). A dozen or more other map-makers published maps in the last part of the century showing a southern continent with the same outline and place-names as on Mercator's (e.g. Abraham Ortelius 1570 and Sebastian Munster 1588). From these-maps, it is possible to get a glimpse of the process by which these map makers created the outlines of Terra Australis.

A 1587 map by Rumold Mercator based on his father's 1569 map.

Each of the named places along the coast is based on land visited or sighted by European sailors. Tierra del Fuego on the south side of the Straits of Magellan has the same name today. At the time, no one knew that Tierra del Fuego was an island. That fact would not be learned until 1616 when Willem Schouten sailed around the south side of the island and named Cape Horn. Promontorium Terrae Australis is probably Gough Island, 230 miles southeast of tristan da Cunha. The island was discovered in 1506 by Gonçalo Álvarez, but misplaced, discovered again by Anthony de la Roché in 1675 and misplaced again, and, finally, permanently discovered by Charles Gough in 1731. Los Romeros is most likely Amsterdam Island in the southern Indian Ocean, discovered, but not named, by Juan Sebastián Elcano and the survivors of Magellan's expedition on their way back to Spain. Beach, Lucach, and Maletur are the northwest coast of Australia. The names are those of rich southern kingdoms mentioned in Marco Polo's Travels,. The first, officially reported European visit to Australia was made by Willem Janszoon in 1606, a merchant for the Dutch East India Company. However, Portuguese merchants knew about the continent for a century before Janszoon arrived. Abel Tasman, in 1642, was the first European to sail around The southern side of Australia, proving it was not attached to a polar continent. Java Minor is most likely Groote Eylandt in the Gulf of Carpentraria, though it could be any of a number of larger islands in Indonesia. The names Java Major and Java Minor, or variations on that theme, moved around the East Indies and Australia for about a century before being combined into one Java, the one we know today. Nova Guinea is, of course, New Guinea drawn too large and placed too far to the east.

Source.


Tim.

[Monk (in hiding)]

That just blew out your nonsense we were stone age people 10,000 years ago. Just Koch brothers BS rock.

[Rockhopper]

Give it a rest VM/Omega. There never has been any humans on Antarctica in the past!!

The middle age European Cartographers assumed that there was a big land mass in the south to match the north. They were wrong.

Read the site I posted and you'll learn something. 

VM/Omega I live in a world that operates on factual evidence not dreams and hallucinations. You are entitled to your opinions and I am not trying to change them, I simply point to places where real experiments are done and full testing too. The results of those tests and experiments are there for all to see. If you ignore that then it's your problem not mine.

You have never once come up with any factual and proven evidence that what you say is true. Evidence that can be emulated by others and they all get the same result. Just endlessly attacking the messenger. Not cool.

Incidentally I never mentioned the Koch Bros. anywhere in this thread as well your know and that is just a red herring.

Tim.

[Monk (in hiding)]

Give it a rest VM/Omega. There never has been any humans on Antarctica in the past!!

The middle age European Cartographers assumes that there was a big land mass in the south to match the north. They were wrong.

Read the site I posted and you'll learn something. 

VM/Omega I live in a world that operates on factual evidence not dreams and hallucinations. You are entitled to your opinions and I am not trying to change them, I simply point to places where real experiments are done and full testing too. The results of those tests and experiments are there for all to see. If you ignore that then it's your problem not mine.

You have never once come up with any factual and proven evidence that what you say is true. Evidence that can be emulated by others and they all get the same result. Just endlessly attacking messenger. Not cool.

Incidentally I never mentioned the Koch Bros. anywhere in this threadas well your know and that is just a red herring.

Tim.

Rock, you talk as the authority, yet you only mimic what you have been told.

READ MY LIPS.....

[Rockhopper]

Ken could you point to any Celtic mythology that talks of an advanced civilisation on Antarctica? I know of none and I have Celtic ancestry too.

Tim.

[Rockhopper]

And you are an authority? Hells bells, you don't even know the difference between Brass and Bronze mate.

I am still waiting for the evidence that backs what you say. Note the header of this board, it says: SCIENCE, TECHNOLOGY and RESEARCH! What you say is not SCIENCE and doesn't belong in a genuine scientific discussion. It's called "Pseudoscience"!

Tim.

[Monk (in hiding)]

Just a questioning mind........  Not a CLOSED MIND ROCK.....

Back to your 'peer review' nonsense, eh.

[Monk (in hiding)]

Science is not about confirming our preconceptions about the world we think we live in; although this is what science has largely become today. Science is about the pursuit of truth regardless of what we believe. When data and evidence begins to mount which questions our long held notions and ideas it is our moral duty to the truth as scientists to follow the evidence wherever it leads us.


All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.

—Arthur Schopenhauer, German philosopher (1788 – 1860)

[Rockhopper]

You apparently don't know much about science then VM/Omega. It takes often years of patient research, testing and checking then cross-checking again and again. 

Of course there is this grand conspiracy by Scientists to cover up the real stuff.  Dream on! That would be some 10,000's of Scientists all sworn to secrecy and keeping those secrets. Damn! Even the NSA can't keep what it's doing secret yet these 10,000's Scientists can! Amazing!

I repeat just in case you missed it before: There is no evidence that Aliens had anything to do IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF HUMANS!

If you have evidence to prove otherwise then produce it where all the Experts in their fields can scrutinise it and check it out thoroughly.

Now getting back to this thread, we know for sure that there has been an ice cover on Antarctica for at least 1 million years and even longer. In fact we are sure that there has been ice cover  there for about 25 million years. Humans were only in their very early stages of development.

WE know that from the ice cores that have been drilled down there. The deepest cores go back for about 900,000 years. Of course you are an expert on ice cores too.

Tim.

[Ken McClellan]

There is no evidence that Aliens had anything to do IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF HUMANS!

So the Atra Hasis, Enuma Elish, Babylonian Genesis, the Book of Genesis, the Koran ... okay, just the most ancient scriptures, stories, myths ... are just fairy tales with no other cosmic interpretation.  Got it.  Some of us might opt to ignore the common knowledge, pedantry, arrogance, hardening of the categories and disdain.  (If only to be contrarian to the absolutists currently in charge of our politically correct 3rd Grade reality.)

P.S. -- You two would irritate each other less if you would get to know the Foe button.

P.P.S. -- "the human genome contains 223 genes that do not have predecessors on the genomic evolutionary tree." -- The Genesis Race by Will Hart, p. 27

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