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Post by Agartha on Fri Dec 26, 2014 4:29 am

Ω wrote:Where in space, orbiting the Earth and nothing more?

No, what Len said: probe in Mars, on a comet, the Voyager that left the milky way, thousands of satellites from so many different countries, etc etc. Are all those fake too?
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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Fri Dec 26, 2014 8:46 am

@Agartha wrote:
Ω wrote:Where in space, orbiting the Earth and nothing more?

No, what Len said: probe in Mars, on a comet, the Voyager that left the milky way, thousands of satellites from so many different countries, etc etc. Are all those fake too?

Unmanned space vehicles, I'm talking about manned space craft.
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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Fri Dec 26, 2014 8:58 am

A Force Field for Astronauts?

The most common way to deal with radiation is simply to physically block it, as the thick concrete around a nuclear reactor does. But making spaceships from concrete is not an option. (Interestingly, it might be possible to build a moonbase from a concrete mixture of moondust and water, if water can be found on the Moon, but that's another story.) NASA scientists are investigating many radiation-blocking materials such as aluminum, advanced plastics and liquid hydrogen. Each has its own advantages and disadvantages.



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Post by Agartha on Fri Dec 26, 2014 11:55 am

Ω wrote:
Unmanned space vehicles, I'm talking about manned space craft.

Nobody on the International Space Station? All those nationalities (that are actually always in competition with each other) are all together to make us believe a lie?
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Post by Rockhopper on Fri Dec 26, 2014 2:25 pm

It's that Grand Conspiracy again Ags. Thousands of people who worked on the project all sworn to secrecy and keeping it.  Amazing!  Shocked

Incidentally, the comment by Ben Goldin was taken out of context. He was talking about sending people to Mars and beyond, not the short trip to the Moon and back. Long periods in space can have cosmic radiation problems that the people are working on. 


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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Fri Dec 26, 2014 2:48 pm

lol - all 400,000 of them.



Remember, your science is what TPTB tell you the facts are, propaganda or not.


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Post by Rockhopper on Fri Dec 26, 2014 2:48 pm

Satire website Huzlers has done it again. It has published a fake story saying Buzz Aldrin did not walk on the Moon and that the entire Apollo 11 Moon landings were faked to cheat the public.

Huzlers, which has fooled many people in the past with fake news articles, had many more lapping up the moon landing hoax story.
Its latest report has a fake quote from Aldrin, the second man to walk on the Moon, apparently admitting to being ashamed for being a part of the fake mission.

Huzzlers is a site where people can publish satirical articles.

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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Fri Dec 26, 2014 2:55 pm

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These images alone should win the debate. There is no way in hell that two astronauts were able to survive in this piece of junk for three days on the moon in the harshest environment. There is no way in hell that this piece of junk survived the descending and ascension stages at speeds of 4,000 mph. There is no way in hell that this piece of junk could fit a fold-up dune buggy and all of the other equipment and supplies necessary to carry out the mission. How many extra batteries would be needed? What kind of 60s air conditioning was necessary? How did they keep the dust out? How many extra parts were needed?


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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Fri Dec 26, 2014 2:59 pm

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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Fri Dec 26, 2014 3:01 pm

No tracks?

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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Fri Dec 26, 2014 3:02 pm

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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Fri Dec 26, 2014 3:09 pm

Look at this piece of junk - a high school drama club could make a better looking spacecraft.

What's the official story? Supposedly, the below piece of junk served as the bumper on the 237,000 mile trip to the moon for four days. It was NEVER flown on earth. I must repeat that - THE LUNAR LANDER WAS NEVER FLOWN ON EARTH. Armstrong's last test flight on the practice vessel (totally different craft) almost killed him (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl...4yQ0AIbU).

Once the Command Module was in lunar orbit, the below piece of junk separated and fell to the moon initially at 4,000 mph. The Lunar Lander weighed 36,200 lbs on earth. Even at 1/6th the gravity, that is still 6,000+ lbs moving at 3x the speed of a bullet.

So the Lunar Lander was able to land without leaving a blast crater or kicking up a ton of dust (there was no dust on the pads once the Lunar Lander supposedly shut off its engine). Furthermore, a 10,000 lb thruster does not make much noise, because the astronauts who were sitting on top of the thruster were very audible.

Next, two astronauts lived in that untested piece of junk up to three days. NASA decided to throw in a fold-up dune buggy for the later flights (there was just so much room and balance was not a problem). The dune buggy served no scientific purpose whatsoever and put the astronauts at substantial risk. Ask yourself, what if the rover hit a bump and caused even the slightest damage to the astronauts suit - do you really think that NASA would have risked that? The possibility of an astronaut cruising on the moon hitting a rock or crater while wearing that suit was not just a significant risk but a very likely risk.

It doesn't end there, NASA says that on the moon, daytime highs averaged +260° F and drops to an average of -280° F at night. What kind of 60s air conditioner technology did the Lunar Lander and the suits have?

Even if such technology existed, which didn't, the batteries would have to run nonstop for three days. Do you really think that it was possible? And what if just one little part broke down? Furthermore, the cabin would have to be pressurized. How much oxygen do you think would be needed to keep the cabin pressurized and those astronauts alive for three days? How many extra packs would have to included, how many extra parts, how many tools, how much water, how much coolant, how much food - hell, let's throw in a dune buggy? Can you imagine the public outcry if the Lunar Lander got stuck there and the astronauts died a horrible death? What would have happened to NASA's funding? NASA would not have risked that and there was an easy way to keep their astronauts alive, i.e., keep them hidden on earth.

Two astronauts hung out on the moon up to three days. They entered and left the Lunar Lander repeatedly, and somehow dust was not a problem. Are you kidding? The astronauts claimed that they were covered in dust, which clung to everything.

After the three days, the astronauts blasted off the moon (of course, the flame is invisible and the Lunar Lander looks like it was picked up by a crane). The Lunar Lander would again have to reach speeds of 4,000 mph to dock again with the Command Module. Look at that piece of junk and tell me how that managed these impossible feats. As my best friend Ghenghis says, "Roofing paper, kapton tape, shower curtain rods, cardboard, and ill-fitting sheets of aluminum. Anybody that thinks this thing was built by a NASA contractor is an idiot."

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Post by Agartha on Fri Dec 26, 2014 4:38 pm

VM, I told you, even if the moon landing was fake it does not matter to me. We are now in space, I don't care if we did or not in 1969.

You are avoiding my last post, please reply.
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Post by Rockhopper on Fri Dec 26, 2014 4:54 pm

Perhaps it would be better thoroughly checking out your sources VM/Omega.

Http://snopes.com is a good place to start.

http://www.discoveryuk.com/web/mythbusters/ is another. Remember of course that they are "Propagandists" for the Bilderbergers, New World Order etc. by some fringe sites and some more extreme sites state that they are "Reptillians" in disguise!!

http://scholar.google.co.nz  has heaps of info on who and what is recorded.

When you visit a fringe site check it with the above.

Remember whatever is placed on the net is trace-able back to it's origin. The Moon Landing Hoax was easily traced back to a satire piece in http://huzzlers.com in the early 90's.

This site http://clavius.org goes into the supposed hoax is some depth and asks the question: why do people believe in such hoaxes?
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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Fri Dec 26, 2014 5:32 pm

@Agartha wrote:VM, I told you, even if the moon landing was fake it does not matter to me. We are now in space, I don't care if we did or not in 1969.

You are avoiding my last post, please reply.

Yes, in space but unable to launch a manned rocket to the moon and back.

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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Fri Dec 26, 2014 5:33 pm

@Rockhopper wrote:Perhaps it would be better thoroughly checking out your sources VM/Omega.

Http://snopes.com is a good place to start.

http://www.discoveryuk.com/web/mythbusters/ is another. Remember of course that they are "Propagandists" for the Bilderbergers, New World Order etc. by some fringe sites and some more extreme sites state that they are "Reptillians" in disguise!!

http://scholar.google.co.nz  has heaps of info on who and what is recorded.

When you visit a fringe site check it with the above.

Remember whatever is placed on the net is trace-able back to it's origin. The Moon Landing Hoax was easily traced back to a satire piece in http://huzzlers.com in the early 90's.

This site http://clavius.org goes into the supposed hoax is some depth and asks the question: why do people believe in such hoaxes?
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Anybody that thinks this thing was built by a NASA contractor is an idiot. Guess you fit the bill.

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So two astronauts survived in that piece of junk for three days in temperatures ranging from 387 Fahrenheit at night to 253 Fahrenheit during the day.

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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Fri Dec 26, 2014 5:38 pm

Unreleased Moon Walk Footage Proof Of Moon Landing Hoax? A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To The Moon…


Jump ahead to time: 32:02 if you do not wish to view the entire forty seven minute documentary and only view the newly discovered unedited out-takes of Neil Armstrong falsifying mission photography during the Apollo 11 flight.

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Post by Rockhopper on Fri Dec 26, 2014 8:15 pm

Anybody that thinks this thing was built by a NASA contractor is an idiot. Guess you fit the bill.

Ad hominems again? Oh dear! What is the origin of that pic VM?omega? Anyone could have made up something like that from junk. It doesn't prove a thing.

Ty this site VM/Omega: http://www.clavius.org/movies.html take a good look about half way down the page you will see this;




Kubrick's relentless perfectionism is evident throughout the Apollo production, from the chilling "1201 alarm" during the final seconds of the Eagle's descent to the lunar surface, right down to the lunar dust covering the astronaut's EVA suites.

The production itself was not without problems, however. For example, the front-projection process used so successfully in the "Dawn of Man" sequences in 2001, proved to be inadequate for reproducing a convincing lunar landscape. Particularly vexing was the challenge of recreating the harsh lighting conditions and the one-sixth G environment on the Moon.

Consequently, the moon walk sequences were actually filmed on location in the Sea of Tranquility. Kubrick did not accompany the crew to the lunar site because of his well-known fear of flying. However, all of the scenes were carefully scripted in advance, and Kubrick was able to direct remotely from the Johnson Space Center in Houston a film making "first."

Some-one is taking the mickey, guess where the Sea of Tranquility is?

What is the origin of this "newly discovered out-takes of Neil Armstrong falsifying mission photography during the Apollo flight"?  Neil Armstrong is dead at the moment so he can't refute it, funny that!

The Clavius site goes into detail as to how and what the preliminary training was before the flight. The video was just the crew, including Armstrong, practising for the landing as best they could here on Earth. 

If you have a problem with anything that is posted on the Clavius site I suggest you take them up with the authors. Bearing in mind that it is run be people who know what they are talking about and are well qualified to speak on the subject.

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Post by Lenzabi on Fri Dec 26, 2014 8:32 pm

Ω wrote:No tracks?

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Plenty of boot prints from the space suited astronauts, that was an image taken AFTER they had taken the parts out of the L.E.M. and assembled them, so it had not been driven yet, that was just to show off they built it is all.

Tracks from module to flag, then module to rover assembly point and back from both.

Now had they taken images from the module of the thing driving around and no tracks appeared, maybe there may be cause for suspicion.

The foil and heavy black material on the lower L.e.M. was due to no people were to be inside that part, engine/tanks/equipment, which included the rover which was folded up like a beach chair in there, pull out, unfold, connect radio and other gear. simple and done.

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Post by Rockhopper on Fri Dec 26, 2014 10:47 pm

Yep Len. The Moon Landing Hoax has been so completely debunked now it's only in the minds of weird conspiracists.

The origin of it started in a post in the huzzers site. It was a spoof and it went viral on the net.

I note that some people hang on to their pet theories even after they have been shot down completely. Like the statement of Werner von Braun's in 1947. 

They never ask the question as to why Cape Canaveral is in the extreme south of Florida and the Euro Space Launching site is in Guyana, just across the pond from there. There is a very good reason why. It's also the reason why Russia had to build the huge Soyuz rockets.

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