Origin of ISIS...

[Rockhopper]

Tells the story of how it came about.



Bearing in mind the old rhyme: "Of course it's true, I know it's true, I saw it on Youtube!"

Tim.

[Monk (in hiding)]

Every 'event' that happens is planned out in advance by our masters.

Pearl Harbor was a planned false flag event.

[Rockhopper]

ISIS would not have started if the Yanks had stayed out of Iraq. Upset the delicate balance between Sunni and Shia. So, this time, when you finally have to go in and sort it out, make sure that Cheney, Rumsfeld, Paul Bremmer et al are leading the charge.

Tim.

[Monk (in hiding)]

You need to look at the british israel world federation.

Bank of England

Federal Reserve

Vatican......

[Lenzabi]

Like I have said, The Military-Industrial-Complex needs bogeymen to help justify their hogging all those tax dollars that our reactionary lawmakers funnel to it. This also lends itself to the fear factor used to channel the sheeple to help agendas go through from their fear played like a musical instrument without their knowing it. BUT there are more waking up tot the idea of no longer trusting our politicians and news as they are smelling the mountains of BS they produce and they are not liking that odor one bit.

[Monk (in hiding)]

[Rockhopper]

Yep you have been and are still doing so.

Tim.

[Monk (in hiding)]

You? lookie rockie, your nation is not innocent in this matter either.

Change must start within each of us.

Why are you unable to look within yourself?

[Rockhopper]

Care to show me where NZ is funding and arming ISIS?

Care to show me where NZ had forces in Iraq? We had a small group of Army Engineers repairing the power station in Basra after you'd bombed the crap out of it that's all. We had the SAS in Afganistan for a short time (two months).

So please explain again how NZ is funding and supporting ISIS?

Tim.

[Lenzabi]

Care to show me where NZ is funding and arming ISIS?

Care to show me where NZ had forces in Iraq? We had a small group of Army Engineers repairing the power station in Basra after you'd bombed the crap out of it that's all. We had the SAS in Afganistan for a short time (two months).

So please explain again how NZ is funding and supporting ISIS?

Tim.

Good point! It is America under our Big Oil puppet masters doing the wars for resource grabs, The American Empire has not known peace for it's 300+ years existence. Well, maybe some peace during the Great Depression, where America was too poor to fight anything except a defense action.......

[Monk (in hiding)]

Care to show me where NZ is funding and arming ISIS?

Care to show me where NZ had forces in Iraq? We had a small group of Army Engineers repairing the power station in Basra after you'd bombed the crap out of it that's all. We had the SAS in Afganistan for a short time (two months).

So please explain again how NZ is funding and supporting ISIS?

Tim.

You are part of the British Empire, you are ruled by the English Crown.

For Western governments with heavy interests in the Middle East, violence in the name of Islam justifies their geopolitical penetration into the region. The higher the level of violence by the ‘Islamic’ extremists, the higher the justification for intervention; the more objectives achieved, the higher the violence, and so on. The feedback loop, self-serving to both ‘terrorists’ and the governments that ostensibly oppose them, but in reality need them to further their geo-political goals, goes on until the objectives change. This is followed by new instructions to the Salafi leaders to focus on a new ‘jihad’. In looking at the history of the Arabian Peninsula over the past century, one finds al-Qaeda and the seemingly modern jihadi movements to be nothing but repackaging of older ones.


The founder of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia brilliantly and effectively used the same Wahhabi-Salafi doctrine to unify most of the Arabian Peninsula under his command. But his conquest could have never been possible without the British financial and intelligence support and, most critically, Orientalists’ understanding of the Salafi doctrine. The British directed the shots since they were the financiers of the then exiled and fragmented clan of Ibn Saud. The British financial support for Ibn Saud was not a charitable or benevolent gesture. The British Empire was at work chiseling the remains of the Ottoman Empire. The transformation from coal to oil to fuel the fleets of the British Empire, needed access to the Persian Gulf and its abundant fuel reserves. Ibn Saud found in the diehard Wahhabi-Salafis marauders, known then as the Ikhwan (English: brothers), zeal and fervor that could conquer mountains in the name of Islam, or more accurately in the name of the rewards promised by concocted Prophetic sayings for those who achieve ‘martyrdom’ during such allegedly God-sanctioned campaigns. The Wahhabi-Salafi brand of violence could have been known to the British from the time of their occupation of Egypt. It was Mohammad Ali of the Ottoman Empire who first had to deal with the Wahhabis and the first Saudi Kingdom. Ali suppressed the revolt of Mohammad Ibn Saud against the Ottomans and in the process, destroyed Der’eya, the seat of the government of the first Saudi dynasty, in 1818.


http://www.iiprc.org/ideological-roots-of-isis.html

[Monk (in hiding)]

Care to show me where NZ is funding and arming ISIS?

Care to show me where NZ had forces in Iraq? We had a small group of Army Engineers repairing the power station in Basra after you'd bombed the crap out of it that's all. We had the SAS in Afganistan for a short time (two months).

So please explain again how NZ is funding and supporting ISIS?

Tim.

Good point! It is America under our Big Oil puppet masters doing the wars for resource grabs, The American Empire has not known peace for it's 300+ years existence. Well, maybe some peace during the Great Depression, where America was too poor to fight anything except a defense action.......

The American Empire is Washington DC, a private corporation and is NOT a State in the Union.

Show me the Statehood of Washington DC!

[Rockhopper]

You are part of the British Empire, you are ruled by the English Crown.

Wrong! NZ is a Parliamentary Democracy. Also known as a Sovereign Dominion. We recognise Liz as our Head of State but we make our own laws and have done so since 1840. We were the first country to allow the native population full rights including the right to vote in 1840 with the signing of the Treaty of Waitangi.

We allowed women to own property in their own right in 1860 and allowed women to vote in 1894, the first country to do so, you only did so in 1916 (property rights) and 1920 (voting rights) for women. Although Black Americans were "Freed" after the Civil War they still couldn't vote until 1964 the same with the Native Indians. 

Richard Seddon's Liberal Party was the first to bring in the 40 hr working week (1912) to recognise that men, who were the main family income earners, needed time with their families. NZ like Canada and others are a member of the British Commonwealth of Independent Nations not of an Empire. Just as you are a part of the USA Commonwealth of States.

Now getting back to ISIS, Sadd was a cunning prick as most Dictators are. He realised that he needed to bring the Sunni population of Iraq into the fold. The north of Iraq has oil and so does the south but the central part (where the Sunni people live) has none. So he used the Sunnis as bureaucracy and his Army that way he shared out the oil revenues across the nation. 

Then there was an invasion and Cowboy Paul Bremmer was appointed as the Sultan of Baghdad. The first thing he did was to disband the bureaucracy and the Army. That cut the Sunnis out of any oil revenue and the Sunnis were sent off armed to the teeth, bitter and angry and un-employed. The result was predictable especially as he allowed the Shia to dominate the country which they still do. The Shia Govt. made life even more intolerable for the Sunnis and ISIS is the result. Not hard to work that one out!

Tim.

[Monk (in hiding)]

The independence of New Zealand is a matter of continued academic and social debate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independence_of_New_Zealand


That's a Union Jack Rock.

You drive on the WRONG side of the road!

We threw the bastards out! lol

[Rockhopper]

I am well aware of what the Union Jack is LGR. Being on the top left side of the flag is the significance of the British Commonwealth of Nations.

You might have thrown the bastards out but you still use the British method of Govt. And the rule by an aristocracy. Why do you think that only a certain group of families can ever get the top jobs there.  Why did James Madison refer to the ordinary voting people as "The Great Un-washed Masses"?

The preamble "We the People" was not referring to you ordinary stiffs at the time, it refers to the "White, Protestant, Men (not women) of Property."

Yes, you did "Toss the bastards out" but you have never won a single war (mostly wars you started) since.  NZ has never started a war and is very wary about getting involved in the Yank wars of Empire.

Now for driving, half of the world is RHD and the other is LHD. Neither are right or wrong. And anyway what does that have to do with ISIS?

Tim.

[Stirky]

Is it pick on the British time now??

Always have a new group of peeps to pick on.

Anyway, go ahead, I find it all quite amusing *gets some popcorn*

[Monk (in hiding)]

Being a little smug are we.

I have more British blood than any of you.

913 AD  Eldred

Drew

Pond......

[Stirky]

I wasn't being smug, jus enjoying your comments!!

[Monk (in hiding)]

I wasn't being smug, jus enjoying your comments!!

lol

[Stirky]

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