Re: Trumpy's Troubles...

[Agartha]

Why is "Trump" specifically racist? He was not racist before his nomination. 

Quoting so you won't edit after I reply:

1) Yes, I know race is a social construct but racists are real. Trump has always been known as a racist: in 1973 the US government sued him for violating the Fair Housing Act because he was refusing to rent to black tenants. The FBI released those records a few years back and they are still online for all to see. Trump responded with a countersuit but when they realized there was too much evidence against them, they signed and agreement in 1975 saying their apartments could be rented by anybody without discrimination. This is just one example of Trump’s racist behaviour. I can give you lots more.

2) If you listen to Trump’s speeches, you’ll hear how he is fanning the flames of racism, misogyny and violence. He is also promoting fake science all the time.

3) For a guy who talks about others being brainwashed by the media you do rely a lot on youtube videos!

4) Almost 70% of US domestic terror attacks were right wing/white supremacists. They are Trump supporters because he is always denigrating those that are not of white European descent. In fact, the KKK openly endorsed Trump for president!

Pandemic deniers are also almost all white, just have a look at those protesting against wearing masks in shops and against lockdowns. And besides lots of Nazi signs the protests (the organizers) have clear links to Q-Anon seeing as they repeat what Q-Anon posts (that is Pro Trump baseless conspiracies). Have you seen the main speakers at the rallies? David Icke, going on about reptilians, one world government and 5 G! LOL

One/New World Order is also a right wing conspiracy created in the 50s to make the gullible believe Jewish / Communists /Atheists etc were plotting to take over the world.  None of their ‘predictions’ have become true so far.

[IceWendigo]

"are almost all white"
Btw, you might not be aware but, you are a racist

[Agartha]

"are almost all white"
Btw, you might not be aware but, you are a racist

LOL! all this for debating Trump and conspiracists. Ok pal, whatever rocks your boat........

'When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the looser'.

[IceWendigo]

That s not slander, im pointing that you are making racist comments. You decide to categorize a group by the color of their skin and use a ridiculous label "white" to describe various tones as if it were relevant. 

Examples of 1975, have entertainment value but does not prove the situation has not changed in over 30 years.Your ultra bias interpretation of speech is just that

And conflating that people who protest for freedom and against authoritarian rules are Nazis really takes the cake to
 the backery, astounding. I would not be surprized if you were in favor of Censoring "Fake science" and censoring different opinions as "Thought Crimes". You're in favor of total surveillance as if its normal saying that even children know about it, and you call other nazi, The only thing missing from the Orwellian endoctrinated newspeak is the "slavery is freedom" slogan.

[Agartha]

That s not slander, im pointing that you are making racist comments. You decide to categorize a group by the color of their skin and use a ridiculous label "white" to describe various tones as if it were relevant. 

Racist: a belief that one’s racial group is superior + antagonistic feelings towards a certain ethnicity.
I am white and I do not have any antagonistic feelings against white people. Pointing out that right wing groups members are white, does not make me a racist. The Glasgow Italian House  members are almost all Italian: does it make me racist against Italians saying that? Nope, just stating a fact.
 
Supporting those groups, who consider non-white people inferior, makes them racists. And skin colour in these cases is relevant, because institutionalised racism is very much alive in the US and the UK and that’s the racism I have a problem with, because members of those groups are also policemen, teachers, doctors etc. And that’s dangerous. 

Examples of 1975, have entertainment value but does not prove the situation has not changed in over 30 years.Your ultra bias interpretation of speech is just that

The 1973/1975 was to reply your ‘Trump was not a racist before’ comment, hence the date. That example was to show that he was a racist 40+ years ago. Also, not ultra bias interpretation, I go by facts and in the past 4 years he has said that ‘Mexicans are rapist and carry disease’, that ‘brown/black American female politicians should not have a say on how to govern the country and should go back to the crime infested countries they come from’, ‘Obama’s birth certificate is fake’ and he is Kenyan not American, he is always saying non white politicians should go back where they came from (funny as he is also the son of immigrants and the father of children whose mothers are also immigrants). Why do you think the Ku Klux Klan endorses Trump? All the above examples are still available online.
 
He is also inciting violence, as seen in the presidential debate not long ago where he was asked a very simple question: "Are you willing, tonight, to condemn white supremacists and militia groups and to say that they need to stand down...". He replied directly to one of the most violent racist group, The Proud Boys: "Proud Boys, stand back and stand by! But I'll tell you what, somebody's got to do something about antifa and the left." This is all online for everybody to see. And let’s not even talk about what he said the other day about Biden, that if Biden wins three weeks later he is shot and Harris takes over…. Of course he’ll say it was a joke, but what normal person/normal president jokes about another candidate being shot? He is despicable and disgusting. And I have loooots more to say. 

And conflating that people who protest for freedom and against authoritarian rules are Nazis really takes the cake to
 the backery, astounding. I would not be surprized if you were in favor of Censoring "Fake science" and censoring different opinions as "Thought Crimes". You're in favor of total surveillance as if its normal saying that even children know about it, and you call other nazi, The only thing missing from the Orwellian endoctrinated newspeak is the "slavery is freedom" slogan.

I did not call them Nazis, I said there were lots of Nazi signs at the protests, re-read my reply. And LOL at the rest of your reply, lots of nonsense assumptions about me again. 

And since I am getting tired of reading nonsense about me instead of discussing a topic I'll refrain from replying again because there is no point. You continue supporting Trump and chums. I will continue supporting socialist governments who care about all children, the environment, climate etc. Governments that do not cage little brown children.  Ta ta to you!

[TrueCrazyLion]

"are almost all white"
Btw, you might not be aware but, you are a racist

Sorry, but this is flat-out trolling and flame-baiting. 
Clearly you can’t handle it when someone shuts down your nonsense pro-Trump arguments with intelligence and common sense, so instead of admitting that Aggie is right, you start posting insults. That’s the lowest of the low.

I’ve never met Aggie in person, but from her posts on here alone, it’s abundantly clear that she’s about as non-racist as it’s possible to get. I’ve mainly stayed out of the debate here, and observed with a degree of disbelief, because replying to all your posts is something I would’ve found mentally tiring, plus I would’ve only really been repeating Aggie, whose responses have been brilliant.
But this was just a nasty comment from you, and it actually made me really annoyed.

If you really think Aggie’s comments are racist, then the reality is you don’t know what the word means.

[Agartha]

Thank you, Lion

People get really passionate about certain topics, I get ultra passionate about health and medical issues, for example. We are rational and irrational at the same time, part of being human. 

Next, we'll discuss Nigel Farage 

[TrueCrazyLion]

You’re welcome, and I totally get what you mean RE passionate debate, I love discussing and debating with others who have different opinions, it’s just that I feel that when untrue personal comments start being made(Especially loaded personal ones), an important line has been crossed. I react the same way regardless of who might make the comments, LOL. (In case Ice thinks it was meant as an attack!)

Yeah, Farage hasn’t been mentioned here for a while... God, we have some rubbish politicians in the public eye right now!

[IceWendigo]

maybe Nazi signs at protest were to Denounce the Nazi authritarian measures! I have not seen a single Nazi sign in all protests ive seen,  so its not a fair characterization, but its a good idea to wake people up, Globalism  is the greatest threat to humanity, greater than Nazi and Communism combined, people are blind its incredible (none are more blind than those who will not see). We are fighting global tyranny not asking for tyranny! The Media and social media are censoring information.

[IceWendigo]

These are not nazis, just people who stand up agaist oppression. In fact Rocco Gallati knows Fascism when he sees it, his familly fled Mussolini's Italy.

[Rogue]

Roll on for the results later today and all the aftermath however that falls!

[TrueCrazyLion]

Yep, it’s through the night that the results will start coming in here, and I’m feeling the same way(Although I guess this one will take much longer to count the votes than previous elections due to the higher number of postal votes, and it might be ages yet before we know!).

[IceWendigo]

In 2016 Clinton had an early lead but Trump gained momentum later on. 

[Rogue]

It's all too close to call...

https://www.huffpost.com/elections

[IceWendigo]

Biden supporters say its too close to call, but Trump clearly won and democrats are desparately trying to steal the election with fraud.

[TrueCrazyLion]

That’s a great live coverage article Rogue, that’s the one I was constantly checking through the night during the 2016 election and the one I looked for this time but couldn’t remember which sites were running it. Nice work!

At the moment it looks like Biden might be moving further ahead, but yeah, still too early to predict a winner.

[TrueCrazyLion]

Sooo close!! But I’m seeing a ray of hope for Biden. If he can hold his advantage in Nevada and Wisconsin and overhaul Trump’s narrow lead in Michigan, he’ll have the 270 Electoral votes he needs.

[IceWendigo]

Holy cow, look at other souces, the Media have been bias from day one, with deceitful Bullshit Polls, around 11 last night something very fishy was going on the media were quick to point out Biden leads as won and Trump leads as undecided, then I could see in Globalist traitors pollsters Face that Trump was winning, then it was very apparent Trump was winning. Then vote counting stopped to prevent Trump winning and give time for FRAUD.

[Kaere]

Do you write copy for clickbait headlines?

You are clearly incredibly angry at the world. I see nothing but coonspiracy and paranoia in your posts anymore, even when you have reasonable points to be made. Makes it really tough for me to want to have a discussion.

[TrueCrazyLion]

Biden has now taken the lead in Michigan! I’m trying hard not to get too excited while so much is still in the balance, but... OMG!!

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