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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Fri Aug 15, 2014 7:40 am

@Stirky wrote:When we had this problem in the UK it all got out of hand very very quickly. Anarchy and the mob mentality soon set in, and people join in with riots when they have no idea why the riot started in the first place. It was a good excuse for people to go looting, stealing and generally being totally out of order. People that lived and had businesses in the areas affected were scared for their lives. The police need to tackle it in such an aggressive manner, and yes mistakes are made on their part (in the UK a man was killed as he was just peacefully walking home and got pushed to the ground by the police). But, you can say the police are the bad guys here. If they stood back and did nothing then the whole country would be on it's knees. It was scary to see how quickly it spread here and how out of control it did get. There needs to be order or all hell breaks loose.

All new iPhones/ others will have a kill switch. Your police friends will be able to shut down phones remotely, enjoy the Police state. lsol

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Post by Rogue on Fri Aug 15, 2014 7:42 am

FERGUSON, Mo. -– There was a stark change Thursday from a day earlier in this St. Louis suburb, with police officers from the city of St. Louis mingling with people protesting the weekend shooting death of teenager Michael Brown by a Ferguson police officer. The scene was in sharp contrast to Wednesday, when officers in riot gear led by St. Louis County police fired tear gas and rubber bullets into the crowd.

On Thursday, officers allowed a crowd to peacefully assemble without forcing them from the area. Officers mingled with protesters, who gathered to march, wave signs and chant. There were no signs of violence.

"This is what we do," St. Louis Detective Kevin Bentley told The Huffington Post Thursday, contrasting his team's calm with the heightened tension earlier in the week. "The officers out here don't do that ... You can't be thin-skinned."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/14/ferguson-protests-policing_n_5680594.html#254_what-a-difference-a-day-makes
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Post by Lenzabi on Fri Aug 15, 2014 7:44 am

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@Lenzabi wrote:New witness indicates that the may have been altercating with the officer who shot him. Saturday witness also said the cop was aggressive. pretty much just gunned the kid down even when on knees bleeding hands up in the street.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/14/1321564/-New-witness-steps-forward-in-Michael-Brown-shooting-provides-new-video?detail=email

8 shots to the head.


If that ain't excessive force, I don't know what is.

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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Fri Aug 15, 2014 7:51 am

On August 13, protesters and police in riot gear clashed. Journalists reported members of elite police SWAT teams pointing rifles at protesters at a church-organized gathering, and firing teargas canisters at retreating protesters. There were reports that police fired rubber bullets at protesters who remained on the street. Police also fired teargas canisters and rubber bullets at an Al Jazeera crew that was filming the events from behind a police barricade, according to members of the film crew and other witnesses.

The International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, which the US ratified in 1992, protects the rights to peaceful assembly and freedom of expression.

The United Nations Basic Principles on the Use of Force and Firearms provide that law enforcement officials may only use force if other means remain ineffective or without any promise of achieving the intended result. When using force, law enforcement officials should exercise restraint and act in proportion to the seriousness of the offense and to the legitimate objective to be achieved.


http://www.hrw.org/news/2014/08/14/us-stop-intimidating-missouri-protesters

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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Fri Aug 15, 2014 8:04 am

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The new head of the Ferguson response is marching WITH the protesters and suddenly military weapons aren't needed.

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Post by Lenzabi on Fri Aug 15, 2014 8:52 am

Okay anon also recanted that leaked cop name and such. Said it was NOT the name their source gave them and they hoped the St.Louis Police would say who he is.

Look t that, a normal police uniform, no assault rifle, or body armor or gas mask. Like a beat cop!

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Post by Stargate on Fri Aug 15, 2014 9:18 am

vision-master wrote:
@Lenzabi wrote:New witness indicates that the may have been altercating with the officer who shot him. Saturday witness also said the cop was aggressive. pretty much just gunned the kid down even when on knees bleeding hands up in the street.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/14/1321564/-New-witness-steps-forward-in-Michael-Brown-shooting-provides-new-video?detail=email

8 shots to the head.

Wow, that is an angry cop. I can't believe the young man was unarmed, that suggest to me the cop felt his life was in danger.

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Post by Lenzabi on Fri Aug 15, 2014 9:25 am

Yep one of the angry and aggressive types they have been hiring on since 9/11

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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Fri Aug 15, 2014 9:33 am

@Lenzabi wrote:Okay anon also recanted that leaked cop name and such. Said it was NOT the name their source gave them and they hoped the St.Louis Police would say who he is.

Look t that, a normal police uniform, no assault rifle, or body armor or gas mask. Like a beat cop!

His facebook page was taken down?

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Post by Monk (in hiding) on Fri Aug 15, 2014 9:34 am

@Stargate wrote:
vision-master wrote:
@Lenzabi wrote:New witness indicates that the may have been altercating with the officer who shot him. Saturday witness also said the cop was aggressive. pretty much just gunned the kid down even when on knees bleeding hands up in the street.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/14/1321564/-New-witness-steps-forward-in-Michael-Brown-shooting-provides-new-video?detail=email

8 shots to the head.

Wow, that is an angry cop. I can't believe the young man was unarmed, that suggest to me the cop felt his life was in danger.

Or he just wanted to kill someone...

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Post by Kaere on Fri Aug 15, 2014 9:42 am

Or he had a fight with his other half... or he was simply angry... or he was a vet with ptsd who snapped... or... or... or...
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Post by Stargate on Fri Aug 15, 2014 9:58 am

@Kaere wrote:Or he had a fight with his other half... or he was simply angry... or he was a vet with ptsd who snapped... or... or... or...

I suppose there are so many possibilities Kae, it is so tragic when these things happen, we really do not know what triggers them.

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Post by Lenzabi on Sat Aug 16, 2014 6:02 am

Police who are in a high stress enough job as is, well, the good ones need access to counseling. BUT to avoid the bad ones, and the do get some aggressive and dangerous types, better psych screening is needed before people are allowed to go to the training academies for police work, catch and reject the baddies so they never have a gun and badge in the first place.

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Post by Kaere on Sat Aug 16, 2014 7:07 am

Apparently the kid was a suspect in a robbery but didn't realize it. If that's the case then the whole interaction seen from both sides could explain the reactions.
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Post by Lenzabi on Sat Aug 16, 2014 11:12 am

Yeah but the cop was on the kid and his friend for jaywalking, Jaywalking and shoplifting are not punishable by death. and as the kid was also hands up, still shot multiple time says the cop needs to stop being a cop

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Post by Stargate on Sat Aug 16, 2014 12:21 pm

@Kaere wrote:Apparently the kid was a suspect in a robbery but didn't realize it. If that's the case then the whole interaction seen from both sides could explain the reactions.

I kind of reject this one Kae, it wants to confuse the issue, and I have seen it before. We do not want to think this is the reason the youth was shot 8 times in the head.

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Post by Kaere on Sat Aug 16, 2014 1:02 pm

I didn't say it was an appropriate reaction, simply that it may have led there.
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Post by Stargate on Sat Aug 16, 2014 1:40 pm

@Kaere wrote:I didn't say it was an appropriate reaction, simply that it may have led there.

I know you did not, it is always a tactic by some police to divert their actions from center stage.

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Post by Lenzabi on Sat Aug 16, 2014 5:20 pm

Most objectively thinking folks here in the states still agree, no matter what the crime, jay-walking or shoplifting or both Don't deserve the way he was ruthlessly gunned down.

Very important missing contraction there, my bad. Many are of the mind that cop deserves to be removed from Police service as he is obviously dangerous
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