Re: Covid-19 Vaccine updates

[Agartha]

Sweden is able to have a normal life without vaccines (mortality is not worse than it has been in the past 20 years so this hysteria is not justified), i know two people who live there, so to me as you  probably know , equating vaccines with freedom, is corrupt authoritarian mafia blackmail. But at least its not mandatory, I worry about a 1984 Health Passport

Then why, three days ago, Sweden introduced new Covid19 restrictions?
Why is their Prime Minister isolating right now?

Sweden is the country that's had more cases and deaths between Scandinavian countries:
#18 in the world for number of deaths/ 100k population .. and
# 15 in the world for case/fatality. 
And let's not even talk about cases. 

Link:  https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

[IceWendigo]

The information i have is more than 3 days old, but total mortality is not higher than in the past 20 years, there is no  justification for mass hysteria nor confinment. Perhaps they are affected by the same "casedemic" propaganda that plagues most other countries. But Ill ask someone in sweden about this.


I primarily look at total mortality, not claims of covid death. If covid fraud is worse than the flu it should affect total mortality more than weve seen in the past 30 years, but it has not , and total mortality now is Much lower than the flu season. H1N1 2009 was a Fraud, well documented alarmism and conficts of interest, covid is a worse crime.

Does anyone find it strange that bill gates named Vaccines are part of the solution to reduce "overpopulation"? I think its strange.


Sweden: Im told things havent really changed, apparently its more recommendations than the forced Stalinian restrictions we are subjected to without consent.

[Agartha]

Does anyone find it strange that bill gates named Vaccines are part of the solution to reduce "overpopulation"? I think its strange.

Evidence for the above, thank you.

Also, regarding Sweden: I know Covid is real and I look at the deaths per 100k or per million. I also look at cases. And I know Swedish people too. So let's agree to disagree for the time being, otherwise we'll just repeat the same opinions.

[IceWendigo]

The person in Sweden just told me now, they are not confined. If possible contact the people you know and ask them if they are forced into lockdown (if they say yes ask where they live just to clarify in case it is regional)


"Death per million" if you look at total mortality per million you'll find that there are several years in the 1990s and 2000s where total mortality was higher without hysteria or police state measures, and in the 60s when there was a Real Pandemic mortality was way higher and people lived normally gathering freely,etc. I want to live in a country where people dont go apeshit with imposed restrictions, and people should have the choice to go in a country where they are jailed in airtight cells and forced to wear helmets and hazmat suits in their cells to prevent others from catching a cold, but the hysteria is too wide spread, there should be more choices for people who value freedom.

[Agartha]

Ice, we are not confined in Scotland either: we are still working, shops are still open. The only difference is pubs are closed for a few weeks because people get drunk and do not respect social distancing, and we wear a mask which has proven effective to drive down the seasonal flu this year. 

To me not going to the pub (which I don't visit anyway) and wearing a mask in shops is not an infringement of my freedom, I am still free. And I do it willingly because I care about those in society that are vulnerable. But like I said, we disagree, that's fine, let's not go around in circles.

Still waiting on your evidence regarding your statement about Gate's vaccines.

[TrueCrazyLion]

OK. The Pfizer vaccine has apparently been shown to be 90% effective, with no known side effects.
This might, just might, be the news we’ve been waiting for:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/health-54873105

Can this week get any more positive?!   

Wowee!!

[Rogue]

Fingers crossed it's as good as it seems to be so far

[Agartha]

The Pfizer, as I've said before, is the vaccine I trust the most right now, they are very transparent and it seems very effective too. Luckily the UK have bought millions of doses.

The second vaccine I trust is the Oxford one.... fingers crossed indeed! Live is so much better thanks to scientists!

[IceWendigo]

Data without fearmongering Hysteria

[Agartha]

Well, Ivor Cummins is misleading people once again (I can give you more examples from the other videos you posted):
He says :

'Quick check with the WHO guidelines 2019 for epidemic and pandemic situations'. WRONG!

The guidelines he posted are for INFLUENZA situations ONLY. Covid is NOT the flu. Covid is much more contagious and deadly.

So there you go, 31 seconds into the video and he is already lying and misleading those who don't understand medical sciences.

[IceWendigo]

Its a reference, even imfluenza are different for each other you are stumbling on details and missing the broader information imo, like the data that clearly shows that total mortality is comparable to that of previous years and less than some years in the 90s and 2000s even in sweden, and the data also show everywhere Ive look that measure have no effect on total mortality curves.

[Agartha]

Its a reference, even imfluenza are different for each other you are stumbling on details and missing the broader information imo

No, medical guidelines are specific and you can't pick and choose what you want. Imagine if you have a heart attack and I follow the 'stroke guidelines'! You'll be dead in no time. 

It would be like me telling you to follow a recipe for roast chicken to make apple pie! Guidelines for influenza are good for influenza only. Covid is different, it's not influenza. 

the data also show everywhere Ive look that measure have no effect on total mortality curves.

Ok, show me the evidence. 

like the data that clearly shows that total mortality is comparable to that of previous years and less than some years in the 90s and 2000s

Again: evidence, so I can analyze it to discuss. If you look at excess deaths (number of deaths above a normal level) you'll see that many countries have a higher excess deaths rate in 2020.

[IceWendigo]

"you'll see that many countries have a higher excess deaths rate in 2020."  which country? more importantly compared to which year???  was excess mortality in ALL years of the 1990s when no one was going apeshit and in the 2000s lower than 2020? No, just compared to the past few years. At least thats what i saw, higher than 2010 but not higher than a few years in the 90s and 2000s first decade. If i find a link ill share

[Rogue]

Some more hopeful signs...

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/university-of-queensland-coronavirus-vaccine-trials-prove-successful-on-elderly/news-story/414925bd8710ceef76a1fcdf9c2d7b02

[IceWendigo]

As long as they are not using health passport cohersion and restrictions on people that dont vaccinate, people can vaccinate themselves, enjoy the Antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE), autoimmune reactions and the cytokine storms.

[Agartha]

Some more hopeful signs...

Fantastic news, Rogue! The greater the number of different vaccines, the greater the chance of finding the best one out of them all!

As long as they are not using health passport cohersion and restrictions on people that dont vaccinate, people can vaccinate themselves, enjoy the Antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE), autoimmune reactions and the cytokine storms.

If there was a serious risk of ADE, this would have been observed in phase 2 of clinical trials already. It hasn't. However, this is something scientists and health professionals know and they monitor carefully not just during trials, but also when the vaccines are administered to the public. I personally don't think ADE will be a problem with the Covid vaccine, because it doesn't attack macrophages (like the Dengue virus for example); instead it attacks the respiratory tissue (hence infection doesn't provide immunity for life). 

Like with every vaccine there is a chance of hypersensitivity, however, serious adverse effects are less than 1 in a million and whilst it's tragic for that 1 individual, it also means millions are safely protected. Also, it's easy to be antivaxx (or disease promoter as I call them), because herd immunity keeps you safe.... us, people who vaccinate, are protecting you:




Also, regarding Sweden: why did post a screenshot from a youtube video? Please post links and data we can discuss properly. Understanding excess deaths works from year to year, not checking all mortality since the birth of Jesus! lol

Here you can have a look at mortality in Sweden in 2019 compared to 2020, weekly (from Swedish Public Health).




Statistics Sweden link (you can translate in English): https://www.scb.se/om-scb/nyheter-och-pressmeddelanden/artusendets-hogsta-dodstal-uppmatt-i-sverige/

Week 39 is around September. Unfortunately we still don't have the weekly data up to November where it shows the increase in deaths in October.

[IceWendigo]

The graph shows that 2020 is higher than years since 2010 but not higher than many years prior to 2010 and the 1990s, back when no hysteria occurred, so data after 2010 proves nothing in this case.

Vaccine Rain analogy: How the hell did we survive before vaccines?
Virus have existed for millions of years, existed before humans walked the earth, they are in the air, in our bodies, our own genetic code contains viral dna, I have virus in me I am not sick, we all are exposed every day, there are millions of virus in every square meter of air even if you go far out where no one lives. We have something called an immune system, humans have survived for millions of years without a vaccine, mortality was probably mostly due to sanitation(excrement in water, dirty water, rats, flees, lice), starvation/malnutrition, exposure, accidents, wars, etc. The US Navy conducted experiments on volunteers being extremely exposed to the influenza in about 1918 and none got sick, its not because they had no virus, their immune system was working. If a virus can infect 98 people and they dont get sick, and then infect 2 that do get sick, the problem is not the virus but the immune system of those 2 persons. It doesnt make any sense to want 98 people to get vaccinated, the 2 people maybe if they cant find other ways to boost their immune system.

And what about prevention? If people are exposed to chemicals, magnetic energy waves 24/7, eat pesticides, gmo, processed junk, dont get enough sleep, are stressed out by fearmongering media circus, etc, is there anything that can be done to improve peoples immune system besides injecting shit in their veins? Anything?

(I'm not against all vaccines but against making it mandatory and in favor of more prevention and fostering health by other means)

Apparently vitamin deficiencies is not great for the immune system, criminal murderous Medical authorities in Quebec actually prevented elderly from getting vitamin D and going out, imo vitamin D and sunlight play a key role in the immune system's ability to handle seasonal virus naturally and without vaccine, its a self fulfilling prophecy, do everything you can to kill the elderly then bingo "see we need a vaccine".

[IceWendigo]

[IceWendigo]

Question: Why has no SARS/MERS vaccine been approved in the past 20 years?

[TrueCrazyLion]

Probably because these viruses don’t spread easily between humans and haven’t caused widespread infections and triggered a pandemic yet.

https://www.coronavirustoday.com/mers-vaccines

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