Re: The Rise of ISIS

[Mordae]

I'm still laughing over that one. Similar to the Kardashian group, Khorasan are famous for having done nothing.

But to be serious about it, an elite group of 50 who are (supposedly) collectively more dangerous than the 20 -31K fighters of ISIL, but that no one had heard about until a week or so ago seems a little to much like an excuse to bomb Syria outside ISIL control.

[Stargate]

 I'm still laughing over that one.  Similar to the Kardashian group, Khorasan are famous for having done nothing.

But to be serious about it, an elite group of 50 who are (supposedly) collectively more dangerous than the 20 -31K fighters of ISIL, but that no one had heard about until a week or so ago seems a little to much like an excuse to bomb Syria outside ISIL control.

Mord, the majority of the American people no longer find these endless wars making any sense, it gives the politicians no other alternative but to find new ways to convince the people by inducing fear. The more dangerous the group' the the better.

[Mordae]

That seems to be the way of it Star, although the most disturbing part of the Khorasan spin was the sheer blatantness of it (F for effort, must try harder).

From the PoV of TPTB however, I suppose the narrative can also be used to justify mass surveillance, racial profiling, clamping down of civil dissent etc.

Found this interesting...

http://www.mintpressnews.com/story-war-foretold-fighting-isis/197013/

Nafeez Ahmed examines how the rise of ISIS was both predicted and evitable, and argues the West's current military campaign is already being used to neuter mass surveillance reforms at home and will likely produce further political destabilisation in the region...

[Rogue]

Islamic State reportedly on Baghdad’s outskirts after week of victories
BY MITCHELL PROTHERO
October 3, 2014

IRBIL, IRAQ — Islamic State militants have taken control of key cities in Iraq’s western province of Anbar and have begun to besiege one of the country’s largest military bases in a weeklong offensive that’s brought them within artillery range of Baghdad.

The Islamic State and its tribal allies have dominated Anbar since a surprise offensive last December, but this week’s push was particularly worrisome, because for the first time this year Islamist insurgents were reported to have become a major presence in Abu Ghraib, the last Anbar town on the outskirts of the capital.

Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2014/10/03/242105/islamic-state-reportedly-on-baghdads.html#storylink=cpy

[Rockhopper]

From the Independent:

How far is Saudi Arabia complicit in the Isis takeover of much of northern Iraq, and is it stoking an escalating Sunni-Shia conflict across the Islamic world? Some time before 9/11, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, once the powerful Saudi ambassador in Washington and head of Saudi intelligence until a few months ago, had a revealing and ominous conversation with the head of the British Secret Intelligence Service, MI6, Sir Richard Dearlove. Prince Bandar told him: "The time is not far off in the Middle East, Richard, when it will be literally 'God help the Shia'. More than a billion Sunnis have simply had enough of them."
The fatal moment predicted by Prince Bandar may now have come for many Shia, with Saudi Arabia playing an important role in bringing it about by supporting the anti-Shia jihad in Iraq and Syria. Since the capture of Mosul by the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isis) on 10 June, Shia women and children have been killed in villages south of Kirkuk, and Shia air force cadets machine-gunned and buried in mass graves near Tikrit.

In Mosul, Shia shrines and mosques have been blown up, and in the nearby Shia Turkoman city of Tal Afar 4,000 houses have been taken over by Isis fighters as "spoils of war". Simply to be identified as Shia or a related sect, such as the Alawites, in Sunni rebel-held parts of Iraq and Syria today, has become as dangerous as being a Jew was in Nazi-controlled parts of Europe in 1940.

Frm Here.

Tim.

[Lenzabi]

Abu Ghraib, the place of shame, where American soldiers forced Iraqi POWs to do shameful things like pile naked together and such other odd sexually bizarre embarassments.

Of course the need to justify things when our little frankenstein is running amok, we must haz more drones!

The Shia and the Alawites are in possible trouble, with an ultimate clash between Sunni lead by Saudi Arabia and the Shia in Iran

[Monk (in hiding)]

 I'm still laughing over that one.  Similar to the Kardashian group, Khorasan are famous for having done nothing.

But to be serious about it, an elite group of 50 who are (supposedly) collectively more dangerous than the 20 -31K fighters of ISIL, but that no one had heard about until a week or so ago seems a little to much like an excuse to bomb Syria outside ISIL control.

Mord, the majority of the American people no longer find these endless wars making any sense, it gives the politicians no other alternative but to find new ways to convince the people by inducing fear. The more dangerous the group' the the better.

We just tune it out now. The old propaganda machine isn't working like it once did.

Wish the young people would start growing a pair like the 1960's.

[Lenzabi]

Oh I think they are more than is reported, afterall, the corporates can't have their media machine loaded with images of protests like in Occupy, or they blotted out the anti-Monsanto and climate marches, the Big Wigs are in fear of the masses as they did the math, angry millions vs their few troops will be over-swarmed if folks get pissed off enough to storm their gated homes and glass towers. Some are even seeing the need to curb their excessive ways as they can see the future with torches and pitchforks coming for their gold plated rumps.

[Stargate]

The picture you paint is very graphic Len, however quite true. As we can observe the war is now spreading across countries borders, and the US and alies bombing is not having the desired effect. My humble thinking knew this was not going to work as easy as they though simply because it should have been expected that the enemy are no fools and would have anticipated that they would be bombe d. However I think in the final analysis everything is going as planned, regardless of what we may predict.

[Rockhopper]

Quite right Star. The borders in West Asia were just drawn on a map and didn't take into account tribal differences or religious groups.

The US Administration have only one thing on their minds -- OIL! They haven't learned the lesson that you can't fight a Guerilla war with a standing army. The villians just break into small groups and disappear into the desert and then re-join together, hit a spot and then disappear again. Whilst the army is floundering around bombing the crap out of anything and everything that moves.

Madd Sadd was a nasty bit of goods but he held Iraq together. The country was secular, where all the different religious groups lived together in relative harmony until the Yanx arrived, then all hell broke loose!

You can't bring a Democracy to a country on the muzzle of a machine-gun. It just doesn't happen. Of course, Democracy wasn't the reason the Yanx went in there anyway. It was -- OIL!

Tim.

[Kaere]

Just... what? Beyond the horrific idea of being sold into slavery or being forced to marry your captor... ISIS has a magazine?! Can't wait to get a peek at their Annual Report /sarcasm.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/isis-admits-enslaving-yazidi-women-kids-in-own-magazine-1.2796680

[Stargate]

Just... what? Beyond the horrific idea of being sold into slavery or being forced to marry your captor... ISIS has a magazine?! Can't wait to get a peek at their Annual Report /sarcasm.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/isis-admits-enslaving-yazidi-women-kids-in-own-magazine-1.2796680

You have to be careful Kae, people are suspicious if you mention the name Isis, although their magazine could be supported by the US, you never know these days.

[Rogue]

Islamic State magazine Dabiq celebrates ‘the revival of slavery’ and defends capturing women
OCTOBER 14, 2014 3:20PM

NEWLY published propaganda material from Islamic State celebrates “the revival of slavery” and defends capturing women.

The fourth edition of Dabiq magazine, the terror outfit’s English language magazine, was released this week.

It was revealed yesterday that the sleek digital publication included specific directions to target Australians, but it turns out those weren’t the only disturbing details hidden in its 50 pages.

In an article entitled “the revival of slavery”, published on behalf of “an official Islamic State spokesman”, the group appears to defend its enslavement of women.

It suggests enslaving families and “taking their women” is firmly established in the Koran, and suggestion otherwise would be anti-Islam and “mocking” towards the prophet.

The article threatens enemies that followers of IS will “enslave your women, by the permission of Allah, the Exalted”, and details conquests in which “women and children were divided according to the Shari’ah among the fighters of the Islamic State”.

It goes on to highlight the disadvantages of abandoning slavery.
Full article>> http://www.news.com.au/world/middle-east/islamic-state-magazine-dabiq-celebrates-the-revival-of-slavery-and-defends-capturing-women/story-fnh81ifq-1227090212257

[Lenzabi]

Wow, such a throwback to the dark ages mentality they show

[Rockhopper]

How much is just shock factor??

Tim.

[Stargate]

Wow, such a throwback to the dark ages mentality they show

Len, I noticed you said throwback to the dark ages, my question is, when's did slavery end? Or is there a new definition of the meaning of the word?

[Kaere]

I do tend to agree with this, I feel that gov't's use it as an excuse.

ISIS threat could mute objections to expanded anti-terror laws, critics fear

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/isis-threat-could-mute-objections-to-expanded-anti-terror-laws-critics-fear-1.2801884

[Stargate]

I do tend to agree with this, I feel that gov't's use it as an excuse.

ISIS threat could mute objections to expanded anti-terror laws, critics fear

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/isis-threat-could-mute-objections-to-expanded-anti-terror-laws-critics-fear-1.2801884

ISIS is not new, only a new name for the age old disease. They are not the worst to pass through earth. They are the mutation of our history.

[Rockhopper]

With God/Allah on all sides there, the Big Fella is going to be very busy!

Tim.

[Kaere]

I do tend to agree with this, I feel that gov't's use it as an excuse.

ISIS threat could mute objections to expanded anti-terror laws, critics fear

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/isis-threat-could-mute-objections-to-expanded-anti-terror-laws-critics-fear-1.2801884

ISIS is not new, only a new name for the age old disease. They are not the worst to pass through earth. They are the mutation of our history.

This is true... my post was about gov't's removing civil liberties in the name of 'fighting terrorism'.

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